EU elections

mcem do you remember that one of the few true statements Trump made during his dishonest campaign was "I could stand in the middle of New York and shoot somebody and they'd still vote for me'? He clearly despised his adoring fans as Farage despises his "low grade people" but they are "useful idiots" devoid of all interest in logical argument or evidence.

I take your point varian but am genuinely puzzled by the sheer numbers of people who support NF. (I would ask if an N F supporter could explain.)
People who would not themselves break the law!
People who may be members of their local Neighbourhood Watch.
People who would not harbour a criminal in their home.
People who might be seen as "pillars of the community".
Ostensibly "decent and respectable."
So why give any degree of support to someone so blatantly dishonest?
Is it indeed a case of the end justifying the means?

Good interview on Sophy Ridge this morning with Blair. It's always good to hear someone killing off the myth that we do not make the decisions about our country in our country.

He is also right to say that Remain voters, indeed anyone who does not want a Farage hard Brexit must vote as it is the number of votes - remain or leave - that will matter not the specific party.

Hurrah for Nigel! Kept reminding Andrew Marr to stay relevant to today’s issues.

He stays calm and polite ‘with respect Andrew’, doesn’t get rattled and is urbane and confident. I like the man, his message, his team (no influence from Bannon as the remainers kept hoping - especially them praying the large donation to the Brexit Party had come from malign forces) and his vision.

Go Nige!

urmston and you still complain about others being unpleasant to you? Double standards. once again you have implied I am not intelligent enough to understand - "Anyway the nuance of the situation seemed to have escaped your comprehension. " Once again you have not answered my question. I have come to believe that is the normal reaction of leavers who don't like or don't have an answer to questions, just ignore them. I restate my case, voting for NF/NF (the other organisation) would be voting for a very nasty person and my moral stance would not allow me to do so under any circumstances. I have to face me and could not do so if I voted for such a hypocrite.

Your poll quote comes as no surprise to me because I look at it logically based upon my observations of human nature. Some will vote for a party because they 'have always done so' some will vote for Brexit because they 'voted leave, after all the lies/promises, and leave means leave' I don't think any of those are good reasons because I have thought long and hard and asked Leavers to give me good reasons for leaving but no one has managed to persuade me. I am still open to persuasion but no one has convinced me that our country is better off going it alone rather than being part of a bigger group. EU is far from perfect but better an imperfect group with influence than an imperfect country on its own.

DAy6 it surprises me that any kind, thoughtful person likes NF! I agree that there is not a lot of choice so we have to choose the best of a bad bunch and that cannot be him. Why didn't you list the other choices?

I will answer your question mcem

I’m a NF & Brexit Party fan.

I’m law abiding, pleasant, friendly, open to (controlled and LEGAL) immigration - so our government can make proper provision of services for local communities experiencing a strain with bigger numbers of citizens. I like being European, have a second home in Spain and am definitely not xenophobic.

So why do I support Nigel Farage?

He and his team are going to deliver on the result of the referendum! We’ve given Mrs May and her team 3 years to sort it out. Olly Robbins and the Remainers in her Cabinet have thwarted the leaving process at every twist and turn.

Time to give someone else a go!

I would just like to say:

1 Correcting someone's spelling is bad form. Some are simply not good at keyboards, some are using devices which auto correct. It shows a sense of superiority which I abhor. Simply not worthy of respect.

2 Saying 'with respect' is well known to mean that the speaker has no respect at all.

I agree Nonnie about not correcting or pointing out people’s spelling or grammatical mistakes. I have NEVER done that. Even when I’ve noticed them!
??

It’s not an exam. It’s a discussion forum. I can appreciate some people have disabilities or had a less robust education. Not their fault so not up to me to Police the forums.

P.s. what exactly is your question Nonnie??

Latest European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 27% (-1)
LAB: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 14% (+3)
CON: 13% (-1)
GRN: 8% (+2)
CHUK: 6% (-2)
UKIP: 3% (+1)

via @ComRes, 09 May
Chgs. w/ 07 May

twitter.com/britainelects/status/1127305223171710976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1127305223171710976&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.markpack.org.uk%2F155623%2Fvoting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard%2F

Thank you urmstongran for explaining your thinking but I'm finding it hard to grasp that you found NF "calm, polite, urbane and confident" when all I could see was shouting, arrogant denial and a refusal to answer reasonable questions.
Of course his past declarations (and posters) are relevant today.
Do you really believe that his potential post-war Britain will be all about freedom and democracy, given his track record?
Is concern about NHS privatisation and global warming really rendered irrelevant because NF
is focussed only on brexit and wants to distract voters from the big issues which are ongoing
despite the eu elections?
Do you respect Trump and Putin as NF does?
As a self-proclaimed law-abiding citizens are you at ease with his proven dodgy dealings?
Don't you think "giving someone someone else a go" is just over simplistic and naive?
And if God forbid, he should ever be in any position of power, how would be deal with Scotland and, even more urgent, with NI?
Genuine questions of great concern.

open to (controlled and LEGAL) immigration

Even under Free Movement EU immigration was still controllable. We (i.e the UK) just didn't bother to control it. As for illegal immigration, I hadn't noticed that the UK has ignored it over the years. So I really don't understand why you're bent on 'punishing' the EU for either of these things when it really has nothing to do with it.

Very telling that when migration from the EU falls, migration from the rest of the world rises.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679

I agree Urmston after just watching The Marr Show I thought Farage absolutely stormed it and will have earned even more votes for the Brexit Party.

Urmston now for the third time I have stated that my stand regarding not voting for NF is a moral one, regardless of whether I wish to stay or leave. He is a nasty, egotistical, selfish, arrogant man so to vote for him would imply the same of his supporter, My question (again) is what is your stand?

Good grief Nonnie that’s an unpleasant and demanding post from you.....it’s up to Urmston of course, but I would simply bin your request.

I had a very civil reply from urmstongram but it didn't answer my question about intrinsically honest people accepting his "shady dealings".
I still find it hard (politics apart) that his supporters (other than real blinkered extremists) are willing to do this. It's as if they accept/condone his misdeeds and lies.

Urmstongran, re NF delivering on Brexit - he will have to have enough MPs in Parliament to do that. Some way away from that atm.

I have thought long and hard and asked Leavers to give me good reasons for leaving but no one has managed to persuade me.

But Nonnie, in conversations with Remainers I have had the same sort of confusing response. Many Remainers have no idea of the way in which the EU is made up, of its bureaucracy, of payments/salaries of MEPs, how indeed their MEPs work. Many think it's a right-on bandwagon and that it saves them a bit of criticism so they hop on.

Some of us have gone out on a limb, had the courage of our convictions (after reading, researching, being interested in current affairs etc) and declared our intentions to vote Leave and unfortunately have had to take so much flak from Remainers.

It is a sorry situation when hatred emanates from people with opposing views. We will never see eye to eye, but I do believe in democracy, (and indeed the destructive, powerful and expensive role/interference of the EU.)

DAy6 it surprises me that any kind, thoughtful person likes NF

Oh there are millions and millions of very nice, decent people who like him mainly because he speaks for us (at least 17.5 million of us) as we have been left floundering and ignored, despite winning a referendum. All our main political parties said they would respect and honour the result of the referendum. Our MPs, nearly 500 of them, voted to trigger article 50 then decided 'a deal' was the same thing as leaving, a deal which heavily favours the EU and ties us to Brussels.

It is shockingly arrogant of parliament to behave in this way. It's disgraceful.

You know the feeling in the country. Disbelief and anger of millions - who have been sneered at by Remainers for three years. This situation created by our own self-serving, duplicitous MPs.

I am a nice person. I am compassionate, feeling, law abiding and like most people, I try to be a good neighbour to all, in the broadest sense of the word.

I also admire Farage for giving Leavers a vehicle for their dismay, the disbelief that we have been shafted by our own parliament, who seem to be hand in glove with Brussels and have thwarted any attempt to leave the EU at every turn. It has been shocking - almost unbelievable that parliament could behave in such a shameful way and that a democratic vote has been swept under the carpet.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Good on him. He speaks sense and people are listening and Remainers are worried.

Why do those who oppose a referendum on the reality of brexit (as opposed to the promise of unicorns), claim to believe in democracy?

Remember David Davis telling us "if a democracy cannot change its mind it ceases to be a democracy". For once he was right when he said that.

In truth, our two party see-saw governmental experience has been faulty for a long time and in need of a good shake up.

We have seen splits in both main parties. Our MPs aren't even united! They have knives in each other backs.

A third party which has the support of at least 17.5 million people has to be a good thing, generally. A cat amongst the pigeons? Maybe, but it's time lots of MPs feathers were well and truly ruffled.

Westminster stinks.

Go Nigel!

Yes, GO, Nigel. You did say if brexit was a disaster you would go and live abroad. Why wait? Go now, and go as far away as possible.

It is beyond me that some people are unable to see Nigel Farage for what he is, He should have been called Jack as in I’m alright Jack. He has double standards , but ignores this in himself whilst accusing others .

And yet apparently decent people accept his deviousness and dishonesty!
Would anyone harbour a criminal in their home?
If not, why condone his past (and present) misdeeds and lies?