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The priest at Lyras funeral

(264 Posts)
Mycatisahacker Wed 24-Apr-19 17:43:03

Got a standing ovation. Very deserved. Good on him

Anniebach Sat 27-Apr-19 19:25:09

Speaking to a group of politicians who sit together at a funeral but refuse to sit together to run the country is less important than saying ‘the deceased was in a gay relationship ‘.

At my husbands funeral there was no mention of the fact we were a heterosexual couple, or he was a heterosexual man.

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:26:25

So, notanan, did you want the priest to say something like, "it's a shame there can no longer be any sex in this relationship*? What kind of funerals have you been to?

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:28:15

Just how did you want the sexuality to be referred to? In what words exactly? Most priests and vicars wrap it up in "love".

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:30:08

Of course it would be totally wrong for the priest to say, "the deceased was in a gay relationship, and we don't like that". Did that happen?

trisher Sat 27-Apr-19 19:30:57

Gonegirl They need a government. Stormont has been empty quite long enough.
Then perhaps Arlene Foster should do as the majority wished and step down.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:31:30

Just how did you want the sexuality to be referred to? In what words exactly?

"Gay" isnt a rude "private" word.

If being gay was a part of someones life I would expect it mentioned in any memorial of their life the same way you would mention if someone was a devoted teacher, or a keen sports person.

Anniebach Sat 27-Apr-19 19:33:54

Being Gay is not a career

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:34:05

At my husbands funeral there was no mention of the fact we were a heterosexual couple, or he was a heterosexual man

Your relationship wasnt mentioned at all? Really?

And being straight is very different to being gay. It shouldnt be but it is. Especially in places likd NI.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:35:15

Being Gay is not a career
Why have a memorial/funeral at all if not to remember what mattered to that person, whatever those things may be?

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:36:14

Of course "gay" isn't a rude word. Neither is "sex". They're just not often mentioned at funerals. ^Because it's not necessary".

trisher no way am I getting into details of NI politics with you. Got enough to deal with with notanan.

Anniebach Sat 27-Apr-19 19:36:20

Not our sex life, sorry but that was a daft question.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:37:32

Read her letter to her younger self then come back and tell me that being gay was only a part of her life in the privacy of her bedroom hmm

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:38:04

You really think that at every funeral a priest should say "the deceased was gay/heterosexual/swung both ways"?

Odd.

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:39:22

I've read the letter. It has nothing to do with what the priest at the funeral said.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:40:03

I think you remember the person as they were or not at all. Sexuality isnt a major influence on everyones life especially if you conform to the default, but it mattered to her.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:41:22

I've read the letter. It has nothing to do with what the priest at the funeral said. and everything to do with what he actively avoided saying.

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:42:51

Yes, of course it mattered to her. It's just that priests aren't usually expected to refer to sex at a funeral.

Gonegirl Sat 27-Apr-19 19:46:40

It wouldn't have crossed his mind to say anything about her sexuality. Neither would it have done at the last funeral he conducted. Or the next. Ad infinitum...

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:50:05

Oh FGS its not about "sex"

She wasnt just gay when she was engaging in sex acts.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:54:12

Refering to someones sexuality doesnt = talking about their sex life!

The experience of being a gay woman doesnt begin and end when your pants are off hmm

Some gay women

Callistemon Sat 27-Apr-19 19:54:47

If being gay was a part of someones life I would expect it mentioned in any memorial of their life the same way you would mention if someone was a devoted teacher, or a keen sports person.

I would not expect sexuality to be mentioned - but I would expect someone's OH to be mentioned as just that if they have one - a husband, wife, partner, and how much they must be grieving.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:55:16

Some gay women dont have sex at all. Or have only have sex with men. Dont reduce the experience of living as a gay person to sex!

EllanVannin Sat 27-Apr-19 19:55:50

I thought this was all about the unlawful killing/murder of the woman----not her sexuality afaik according to the priest ?

Callistemon Sat 27-Apr-19 19:55:56

the same way you would mention if someone was a devoted teacher, or a keen sports person.
no, I would put devoted teacher or keen sports person in the same category as courageous journalist.

notanan2 Sat 27-Apr-19 19:59:30

A person should be remembered for who they were.

She was a gay woman in a part of Britain where it is hard to be a gay woman. And she was a journslist. And a friend etc...

Leaving out one important aspect of someones life speaks volumes about the priests view on that aspect.

Silence sometimes roars.