Confirmatory Vote

I seem to remember that Jeremy Corbyn was the subject of adulation not so long ago, along with T-shirts and banners declaring undying adoration for the 'dear leader', as you put it Grandad! how did it go?! 'Oh Jere-my Corbyn etc', over and over again! N.F doesn't have the monopoly where mass hysteria is concerned!!

Ok to GG early thread!

i hope your leader inspires you with his beery breath and yes I am judging you

That’s just nasty don’t you think???

Oh yes plenty of hero worship for Corbyn on the far left just like Farrage has on the far right!

And in my view they are very similar men.

One an anti Semite one anti Islamic snd both equally unpleasant

Yes!

And guessing both mysogynistic too.

My yes, was to mycatisahackers first post on this page!

mycat the point I was making is that we cannot "all pick and define our ideas of radicalism". If all we do is have an opinion, believing those who have worked in these areas and done the research know no more than the opinion of someone who hasn't then you are advocating some sort of anarchy.

The Labour Party have produced policies, they have a membership, they have rules, their leader is not self elected. There policies are not even as far left as a country like Norway. Comparing that to one man - not a party - who has no policies, who doesn't tell us how he intends to achieve his simplistic goal, who has no power but seems to think he can govern by personality - as do his followers, and you have the makings of some form of right-wing dictatorship.

Whatever we think of Farage - good, bad or ????. He is the only leader of a party, aiming to carry out the democratic decision, decided by the referendum, of 2016

Oh yes plenty of hero worship for Corbyn

Where, mycat? Just show me one example on this forum. This is a myth; a complete and utter myth. Most of those who want to discuss Labour Party policies will go elsewhere to do so because one or two will just attack Corbyn. It is they who are obsessed and I don't think you can describe it as in a hero worshiping way. Those interested in politics don't get the opportunity to discuss or critique the policies for more than a couple of posts.

But you seem to be admitting that Farage depends on hero-worship. Let's face it, there are no policies and no plan for any sort of "leave" or anything else - or not that he's sharing - so what else is there but a deliberately whipped up personality cult?

I have just been listening to Nigel Farage being interviewed on LBC. He says once the EU elections are over he will be concentrating on GE policies, the registered members (the ones who have paid their £25) will be asked to vote for policies online. Politics is changing for the better.

Sadly deluded Firecracker
This reminds me how of the how the US electorate thought Trump would be a refreshing alternative to experienced politicians.
Farage is a one trick pony. Brexit is all he is about, who knows whether he even has policies to offer in the event of a General Election.

Surely Glastonbury was one example of Corbyn adulation?!!

I beg to disagree with your view Maw

New parties are coming from nowhere all around the developed world. President Macron’s En Marche! won a landslide victory in France. Italy is run by an alliance of the Five Star Movement and the League. Germany’s main parties have crumbled as the Greens and Alternative for Deutschland have seen their support rise. Spain has seen parties such as Vox and Ciudadanos take a huge share of the votes.

In the United States, President Trump is so far from traditional Republicanism he is virtually leading a new party.

There is no reason why Britain should be exempt from that.

True, if Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn cook up a deal, and we leave the EU in June, then the whole issue may simply fade away.
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Iam64 Tue 14-May-19 08:25:42 & MaizieD Tue 14-May-19 09:25:07 & MaizieD Tue 14-May-19 09:25:07 I agree with you.

Don't know much about Oswald Mosely but think NF might be using his tactics.

gangy is it now a 'party', last I heard it was a 'company'

I must apologise for one of my posts a few days ago. I said I thought NF had failed to be elected as an MP 3 times, I have now been informed of my mistake and told it was 7.

I voted to leave. My understanding of the confirmatory vote is to offer Leave with May's (Remainer) deal or Remain. To me that is a Hobson's choice, because one to me, is as bad as the other. That does not give leave voters a say at all in how our country moves forward. 17.4 million (largest recorded turnout in UK) voted to leave. Biggest stitch up when parliament votes to give the choice to the people and then they don't like the choice so refuse to implement it. Come the next GE the electorate will not forget the betrayal and will vote accordingly.

Yes the Labour Party has been accused of being institutionally anti Semitic.

Look I have no time for Farrage but in my opinion he’s on a par with Corbyn not many labour back bench MPs! People like Jess Phillips are fantastic examples of good labout vakues.

Anyway off thread yes agree op we will probably need a confirmatory vote *but^ what on Earth will be the question?

Exactly newnanny

But Urmston you are largely quoting Right wing if not even extreme Right wing parties certainly in Germany, Italy, not to mention Austria (honestly don’t know the situation in Spain) and even Macron set out with mostly what he was against not what he was for .
He too has dramatically lost popularity and support. So prime examples of parties uniting people with a common grievance
Remind you of anywhere we know in the 1930’s?

I think it would be political suecide for labour to cook up s deal. Why should thry really? Theresa got herself into this mess and you can’t blame them to pretend to engage but then say they cant agree.

Corbyn is pretty stupid but those around him arnt

It makes little difference how many votes there are for general public if Parliament refuse to implement results of vote. A GE is needed so people can vote out those who refuse to implement the decision of their constituents.

Fair comment Maw
I think I was just trying to illustrate that new parties can spring up and change the political dynamic in a country. Whether that is for better or ill depends I suppose on the voters!

Maw

And the government and opposition parties are doing such a good job are they?

They havnt been implementing any policies since the Brexit debacle. Both are in a bloody awful mess.

It is time for change.

Change U.K. have been very stupid ignoring the Lib Dem’s who actually have an excellent grass roots level and are effective on the ground.

I think change U.K. will fizzle out as there’s too many egos to work together. Chukka, Anna, Heidi all what to lead and what policies do they have but stopping Brexit.

Seriously i think Farrage will do very well because he’s filling a dangerous vaccume.

And wishing him and his supporters away won’t happen. Reality time.

Yes agree urmstrongran who is going to fill the vaccume that’s the question.

newnanny we are where we are, what would you suggest we do? TM doesn't seem to be able to get her deal through, Labour are not really working on an agreement and MPs won't agree no deal. Have you an alternative to a confirmatory vote? It is much easier for us to say what we don't want but it is now time to be pragmatic about what our choices are.