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Confirmatory Vote

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-May-19 08:59:13

If an agreement on a WA is reached, and it is a big if, Starmer has said that Labour intends to put the final decision to the U.K.

Given that the vote for leave left wide open the way we left, and also given the fact that since the vote it has become all too clear how complicated, potentially damaging and divisive this is, then it seems to me that in order to prevent our democracy from being damaged even further than a confirmatory vote is the only way forward.

I am a strong remainer, and my preference is to revoke, but I realise that in order to begin to reach out to those who voted leave across this huge divide then a confirmatory vote is one of the best ways to firstly confirm that we are leaving - essential now that we are all aware of the facts- , and most importantly HOW we leave.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-May-19 11:39:42

Supply of services is another good example and has been subject to a number of ECJ cases

Nonnie Fri 17-May-19 11:44:20

Very helpful white although I would prefer the EU to have some influence over tax laws so that companies could be made to pay tax in the countries where they make the money. It needs more power to get international agreement on this than this little country has on its own.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-May-19 11:58:19

nonnie well they do to a degree mostly through vat law which is due where the supply is made, but this is an area that has been fought over and masses of tax avoidance schemes have sprung up as a result.

Tax law is more difficult, but I think the EU has been trying to address some of the blatant avoidance, as it is difficult for each country acting alone.

Many of the prominent brexiters stand to benefit enormously if we leave the EU because of recent action taken by the EU in trying to shut some doors on tax avoidance and evasion.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-May-19 12:04:17

And don’t forget that when we say the EU, we mean all the members contributing and agreeing to these changes. It is not some amorphous body over ruling each individual state.

So really we should say members of the club making rules. This club is known collectively as the European Union of member trading states. U.K. has been one of the most influential in law making.

Fennel Fri 17-May-19 15:35:06

As well as that, the various sections of the EU ie
European Parliament (elected).
European Council (appointed)
European Commission
European courts of Justice.
Plus other branches such as European Agricultural Policy. And one for Defense.

GabriellaG54 Fri 17-May-19 15:37:01

Defence...with a 'c'.

Nonnie Fri 17-May-19 15:38:48

I think they are appointed etc by the elected members of the EU parliament, that includes us for anyone who doesn't know.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-May-19 16:50:20

Commissioners are appointed by the various governments.

Nonnie Fri 17-May-19 16:58:15

I think it is very rude to criticise someone else's typing error.

Thanks White I knew they were not just given the job by the EU

Fennel Fri 17-May-19 17:57:48

"I think it is very rude to criticise someone else's typing error."
Thanks Nonnie [grin}.
And thanks GG54 - I'll try to remember.

MawBroonsback Fri 17-May-19 18:31:33

Not all member states agree with this view but they usually practice them
<whispers > and the verb is spelt with an ‘s” - “practise”
Touché?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-May-19 18:37:35

?

jura2 Fri 17-May-19 18:45:05

Which Law or Laws do you want to take back, please?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 17-May-19 18:46:39

jura do you mean me?

Fennel Fri 17-May-19 18:53:17

Maw - well spotted smile.

varian Fri 17-May-19 19:08:03

TM interviewed today blamed Labour for the failure of their talks. She said that Labour could not decide whether they wanted to "deliver Brexit" or hold another referendum WHICH WOULD REJECT IT.

Very revealing. This is why TM thinks it's OK to ask the HOC to vote on her deal for the FOURTH time but is opposed to a second referendum for the British People.

jura2 Fri 17-May-19 19:40:26

Of course not Ww2- the question is to Leavers who keep repeating they want our Laws back, and never ever come up with a single exemple. I have asked many times, and again on Wednesday - NO answer.

There is therfore only one conclusion, after months of asking.

jura2 Fri 17-May-19 19:42:21

WTO will ask for a lot more, and we won't have any say whatsoever.

GabriellaG54 Sat 18-May-19 01:27:38

What you think is of no consequence to me Nonnie.
I happen to think it's ok to correct. Your idea of rude is not my idea of the word. We must disagree...?

Ginny42 Sat 18-May-19 02:09:46

GabriellaG54 It seems the correction of minor errors in the writing of others gives you some sort of pleasure and a rather puerile delusion of superiority. Many of us don't like pettifogging complaints which seek to put others down.

US (Microsoft) spelling is accepted in word processed texts in many higher education institutions btw, as long as all spelling in the same work is either US or UK English and not a mixture.

GabriellaG54 Sat 18-May-19 09:32:33

Puerile, delusion, superiority, pleasure...all ok with me.
Your problem not mine. grin

MaizieD Sat 18-May-19 11:23:31

The poster who persistently corrects other people's spelling and grammar really isn't worth interacting with, ladies. If one polite suggestion that such behaviour is held to be rude on this forum is ignored then they are doing it to annoy and aren’t worth wasting words ongrin

I told you on another thread that she was pointless!!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 18-May-19 11:38:23

What has surprised me is the lack of troll type posters supporting Farage.

Does anyone remember them from before the referendum. GN reached an all time low with their hate filled posts, disguised as common sense or working class. They all, every one of them disappeared immediately afte4 the referendum.

Nonnie Sat 18-May-19 12:18:40

Maizie watch out, I got told off about telling someone to ignore them. Apparently that meant I was 'policing gn'. I haven't heard from HQ though grin Just someone who didn't agree with my point.

GG I already knew that none of us are 'any consequence' to you, pretty sure we all see that.

GabriellaG54 Sat 18-May-19 15:32:05

It's the stuff some posters write about that's of no consequence to me. At no time did I write that any one person was of no consequence.
Correcting me for correcting some (and by no means even 1/8th) of spelling 'errors' is ok by me if you want to do it.
I think it's a pity that the English language is in decline, dumbed down or, as some people might declare, 'changing with the times'.