Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

not I couldn’t agree more re NI it’s an absolute disgrace and we should legislate for them and not leave it to those religious bigots over there.

maryeliza I heard someone talking about the NI situation on the radio and they said that Westminster cannot legislate to make abortion legal in NI as healthcare is one of the devolved powers.

Obviously the fact that they have not had a functioning government for over 2 years is stopping any form of legislation in NI.

Not quite right gg13 as this is a human rights issue, which HAS NIT been evolved. But we’ve paid £1bn not to interfere

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Whitewavemark2 thank you for the clarification. The person on the radio must not have been aware also.

This is going back a bit but my great aunt was headmistress of a girls grammar school. Unbeknowst to anyone her brightest pupil became pregnant and managed to conceal the pregnancy from everyone. She gave birth to a stillborn child alone and then went out at night to bury the child. She was found dead beside the child in the morning. So tragic. An abortion would have saved her life.

Like most of you I am against abortion as contraception or for frivolous reasons. I do think however that early abortion should be available.

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GG this is a convincing argument put forward by the FPA about how it could be done.

www.fpa.org.uk/sexual-and-reproductive-rights/abortion-rights/abortion-in-northern-ireland

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What’s a ‘frivolous ‘ reason? ‘Oh I’ve just bought a new dress and if I don’t have an abortion it won’t fit me? ‘. Here’s THE reason to have an abortion ‘ I want one’.

It has not been signed into law YET. Can be vetoed.

Georgia’s ‘heartbeat’ law has been signed by the Governor. None of this will stop until it gets to the Supreme Court

maryeliza thank you

I am against such a draconian Abortion Law, and indeed US have much higher infant mortality rates than UK. Not surprising really because the cost of having a baby is very expensive in the States, and I have read that private insurance will not cover certain aspects of ante natal and obstetric care. I do not know how poorer people with no insurance pay or what Obamacare covers. As usual it is the poor and disadvantaged who will suffer from this law. Well off women will always find a way. I saw first hand as a student nurse the terrible results of back street abortions prior to 1967 Abortion Act.

I don't even know what 'abortion on demand' means. Am I to assume it means a woman wants an abortion without giving a reason? Surely every woman will have their reasons, even if they don't want to say so. Or is it because some reasons are more acceptable than others? It's like the Victorian deserving and undeserving poor.

I also find it very strange in this US states how once the resultant baby takes its first breath, no one gives a damn about them. Those people only care about them pre-birth.

Lazi I’ve just read a very interesting article about how the new law in Georgia will impact men - apparently the state is very very hot on men paying child support and tracks them down, DNA tests them and makes them pay up. It also makes them pay towards ante and post natal care. I think the journalist was suggesting that once the ordinary Joe realised his one night stand could no longer get an abortion and the State was coming after him, he might have something to say about the new law. Interesting thought isn’t it?

Here it is

qz.com/1618977/how-georgias-heartbeat-abortion-bill-will-impact-mens-lives/

Here is a non frivolous reason for wanting an abortion:
Dont want to be pregnant.

What would a frivolous reason be?

Anti abortion types could legislate to PREVENT abortions (rather than drive them underground to punish women) by bringing in compulsary vasectomies to their state! Sperm could be stored for planned consentual pregnancies. Presumably all of these anti abortion men are either gay, celibate or have had vasectomies themselves if they are so commited to preventing abortions?

I have difficulty believing women are using abortion as a form of contraception! I had a friend who had an abortion and although it was what she wanted she was left deeply upset for a long time after. It seems highly unlikely that women would put themselves through that several times.

As I said previously, I wouldn't have had an abortion myself but that was my choice - all women should be free to chose. No-one wants to see the return of the "back street abortionist"

Physical recovery from an abortion is similar to physical recovery from a misscarraige. There are also the same hormonal effects which affect mood/emotion. Whoever thinks this would make a practical and its even be suggested to me by a campaigner: CONVENIENT form of regular contraception obviously has no basic understanding of how the female body works and should therefore not have a say over how they are used!

Bleeding cramping radiating back pain diarrhoea passing clots and products of pregnancy nausia dizziness anaemia low mood followed by months of unpredictable periods... and thats just a very EARLY abortion. Where you dont go into labour and lactate etc

So convenient. Sign me up!

Actually there are MORE issues that can occur after an abortion compared to after a miscarriage. A miscarriage is a natural event and your body prepares for that. An abortion is not a natural event. The hormone levels drop suddenly and this can potentially increase the risk of breast cancer. Forcible dilation of the cervix can cause an incompetent cervix, which can increase the risk of miscarriage and preterm birth in the future.

There absolutely are people who have multiple abortions because they use them as birth control.

Oh and thats not accounting for risks like septicaemia and bleeding to death...

And cost. Of the abortion and loss of earnings.

In fact, there are more WOMEN than men who are against abortion. Abortion is very convenient for men who don't want to become fathers and be responsible for their children.

In at least one study, about 60% of women seeking an abortion indicated that they were doing so due to pressure from someone else. That's not really "choice", is it?

It’s not a ban on abortion - it’s a ban on safe abortion.

They will always be women seeking to end a pregnancy, this just means they’ll go to a back street abortionists.