Remainer opinion of leavers

Oh this too will pass!

Ignore the idiots

But the main point is that people are tweeting the most odious things about Leave voters, and I have no reason to disbelieve the Gransnetters who have said similar odious things are being tweeted about Remain voters. Is this the the pinnacle of our social media and our advancement then? That people use Twitter to post abhorrent messages to, or about individuals or groups in society that they dislike/disagree with. We are supposed to be an advanced and civilised society, we pride ourselves on being inclusive and tolerant. Does tolerance only operate towards those we ageee with? Does tolerance and inclusion stop when people get old? Well as far as Matt Kelly is concerned, it most certainly does, and I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that he thinks he is really on trend and accepting of difference. Whatever he thinks, he most certainly is not accepting of differences, nor is he tolerant. I’m glad that I’ve got three caring adult children, and that they are not remotely like him. I pity his poor elderly parents if they are still alive.

Yes James is a good radio host and obviously a decent guy but he’s paid by LBC to be pro remain just as Nick Ferrari is paid to be a brexiteer. So let’s stop hero worshipping and start being objective.

We run a business. Brexit will be ok. Remain would probably be easier.

However Business adapt that’s what successful businesses do. If you can’t adapt to the market you go bust.

The problem is uncertainty with this woeful Tory mess of a government.

The sooner we all stop the hand wringing and nonsense and emotion the Better!

It’s a trade block ffs!! We stay or leave. It’s neither Armageddon or the best thing since sliced bread. We just need to decide Innot out and move on to far more important things.

Of course people fear nationalism, populism, fascism. - as indeed do many people who voted leave.

* but the Leavers just believe in NF and his cohorts * - how do you know that? It is a big assumption. Some leave voters had sound reasons for their vote; there are some sound reasons. It is a matter for tying to balance the pros and cons.

It is like saying all Tory voters are uncaring; or all Labour voters and reds. It does not help to make these simplistic assumptions.

Dialogue and listening are what is needed. We have been led down a very troublesome path by the ghastly Cameron; we do not have to let that divide us or make us stop listening to others and respecting their different views.

I've just watched part of James O'Brien's broadcast from 14 May which has been uploaded onto You tube today. He's talking about WTO trade agreements and the number of existing agreements that we have, not only with the EU but with many other countries separate from the EU but through the EU. There are comments from several business men and politicians about the adverse effects and one or two about the positive aspects (Wetherspoon being an example) It is extremely depressing because the facts and figures are out there, freely available, but the Leavers just believe in NF and his cohorts who spout nothing but rhetoric.

I don't think that the UK will be healed in my lifetime. So, to the person who complained about Remainers ending their posts with "I am in despair" ~I have to say that I truly am.

crystal yes it would be foolish not to worry about that.

Protest by all means, but always use your vote intelligently. Never let in the evil that is fascism.

Do you agree with what he said I wonder Crystal as you made a very ageist post the other day.
It’s bad enough that creeps like him write this sort of stuff, without any older women ( who happen to have also voted remain) agreeing with it just because it’s a barb aimed at leavers.Think about it.

Of course people fear nationalism, populism, fascism.

Mycat ??????

The quote given in the OP was disgusting, crass and fearful ! People always ridicule things that they fear.

Maizie

You are right it’s a question of perception!

You see leavers as shouting down remainers because that’s your perception as a remainer.

Of course the reality is both sides shout down ridicule patronise bully and dislike each other in equal measure.

As I say echo chambers

jabberwok

no worries it could be ‘mycatsapsycho* to be fair! She just launched herself on our very timid Yorkie!

She really is vile but there you go

but have always been shouted down and their feelings treated with ridicule

The additional use of inappropriate language doesn't help serious conversation,

It's a question of perception though, isn't it, Jabberwock? Leavers see things completely differently from Remainers. Leavers give their reasons for their vote, Remainers give a counter argument or point out that something is not true and get accused of 'shouting down'.

As for 'inappropriate language;, despite what POGS asserts, but declines to give evidence of, I haven't noticed the use of the sort of 'robust' language that characterises, say, a mumsnet discussion.

Or is serious conversation meant to be agreement over everything?

As I said, our perspectives are completely different.

Sorry, I've misspelt your name, leaving out the i. It's a good name though!!

You've said it Mycatsahacker (love your name!) also climate change! A lot more important and alarming than Brexit!

Maryeliza

I don’t do Twitter my kids do and I agree with you the radical trans lobby are particular mysogynistic and unpleasant.

I think it’s always very silly to keep yourself in an echo chamber.

See I can see benefits of leaving and of staying. I have friends and adult kids who have voted remain and leave.

I don’t see it as the main issue in Britain it’s only been made so by the incompetent nonsense of Westminster.

Business will adapt to a no deal that’s what business do! They change and adapt. It’s this paralysis that’s dreadful.

I see knife crime/NHS/education housing for more important

People on here have over the months given their reasons for voting leave again and again, but have always been shouted down and their feelings treated with ridicule to the point that they now no longer bother. The additional use of inappropriate language doesn't help serious conversation, so by and large, remainers have ended up preaching to the converted!

I understand Maryeliza, on Facebook you need to request friendship, and I keep my security settings pretty tight. From what you say anyone can send you a tweet, which could possibly open up a whole of Pandora’s box tricks, and make rudeness acceptable. It would appear to clear the way for people to be unpleasant and insulting with no consequences, so maybe it brings out the worst in some people.

And so we come full circle to Matt Kelly’s unpleasant and ageist tweet.

As I have said before; not all people who voted to leave are mindless racists. If you are a worker in our ex-fishing industry then a leave vote is wholly understandable. What is lacking in this "debate" nationally is respect for the views of others, rational argument, and objective information disseminated to all voters.

It has been a fiasco from start to finish - what finish I hear you ask.

People who aren’t following you can send you a tweet.

I don't belong to Twitter and from what I understand, I can't think why anyone would want to! Same goes for Facebook! Why on earth lay yourself wide open for vile comments? Gransnet is bad enough without going further afield for vitriol and prejudice.

Yes, Nonnie, I think it probably happens to women in the public eye more than private individuals.

Maryeliza, don't you have 'followers' on Twitter? If that's the case, I would block them, or unfollow them, or whatever you do on Twitter to get rid of them, that is if they were personally threatening or being offensive in a vile way towards me.

POGS

If you're going to make assertions about things that have been posted on Gnet perhaps you should give us some examples. Unevidenced assertions are part of the reason the UK is in this toxic mess.

It’s not about color, that’s not the Brexit issue it’s decisions being made by foreigners in Brussels not Britons in Westminster. It’s the “Take back control” idealogy pure and simple but now we find it’s far from simple

I agree Nationalism is probably the strongest concept that leavers would identify with. The spin offs from this concept are often dislike of foreigners, but by no means always. Leavers will also say that taking back control is essential, although I’m not clear that they understand exactly from what, as the U.K. has been probably the strongest and most influential voice in the trading union. A union that was largely constructed and enthusiastically promoted as a single market by a Tory prime minister - Thatcher. The U.K. economy has grown and benefited since the 80s.