LGBT protest at school

maddyone, thanks for a personal insight into the need for all children to have the benefit of gentle introduction to the fact that families come in all shapes, colours and sizes.
DoesAnyoneKnow - I find your comments incomprehensible, cold and odd. What's your issue with helping children develop an understanding of tolerance. It's age appropriate imo, just like children having a belief in magic that helps them enjoy life. As the children develop and are exposed more to life outside school and family, they will reach their own conclusions about identity. If they're brought up in closed communities where anything that challenges religious or social belief systems is said to be unacceptable/wrong/likely to lead to people burning in hell etc etc - well, life will be more of a challenge, especially if they happen to be gay or any other thing that's unacceptable in their family/community. Like women going into higher education for eg.

your comments incomprehensible, cold and odd

Why bother engaging then, you won't understand, you strawquote me, you won't like my answers?

I agree with Iam DAK you have certainly added a degree of incomprehensibility to the discussion but I also think we have all tried to unravel your train of thought.

You seem to be obsessed with Queer Theory, insisting that this is what is being taught to small children. I can see no evidence that they are being taught this any more than they are being taught about Voltaire, etc. whose views may also lie behind some of what they are being taught. They are simply being taught the open-mindedness that allows for inclusion.

Rather like the Muslim parents who feel the teaching of the children should be based on their own extremist views, you are saying you think it should be based on your prejudices. Because of the difficulty I have had in unraveling what you are getting at I may have got that wrong, but you do seem preoccupied with this.

For what it's worth I do not agree with small areas declaring UDI against parts of the National Curriculum based on their belief in Islam. I would defend their right, however, to teach the children that these are their views. The parents can teach what they choose at home but the children should be taught like all others in the country.

Unravel away, straw man away.

I asked my children why people don't write more simply, they said because they want to seem more intelligent in order to feel superior to others.

Arguments, I am not writing in a philosophy exam.

I don't have a degree and an disabled I don't therefore follow a familiar pattern, please feel free to ignore me and dislike my thoughts, be happy.

Very young children are now being taught *modern morality *which includes being kind to other children from families unlike their own family, to old people perhaps needing help, and being helpful to disabled people.

Modern morality is about interpreting religious laws with kindness and love. Some religious people believe that morality is about rules and regulations.

Where my philosophy undergraduate child is currently at is not being kind, being good.

I find it interesting that it's females that are told to "be kind" not so much males.

"Yes I do want children to be introduced to values and concepts that conflict with the faith in their home - that gay people are not evil, that men and women are equal for starters would do very nicely thank you."

Me too MaryEliza! 'Faith' schools( and fee paying schools) should be abolished as they are basically divisive and fail to teach modern morality.

You now seem to be getting angry because people do not agree with you DoesAnybodyKnow and have decided the answer is to make personal attacks. Everybody just writes as they write. I can see you have already conveyed to your children a prejudice against anyone who seems, in someway, not like them. I assume it is to late for education to turn that around.

I do agree that a straw-mad argument was thrown into the mix but that was by you when you dragged in Queer Theory - a throwback to the 1990s.

Man not mad

Project away, as I said previously be happy.

I don't think much of the comments now being directed at DoesAnyoneKnow. In fact, the "your comments incomprehensible, cold and odd" one is unbelievable!

I find different opinions interesting, if you listen to Shiela Jeffries here m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yu9enVjNs8&feature=youtu.be , she seems to have a different opinion to Victoria Derbyshire who spoke about this topic today and has been advocating medicating children who like to dress outside of social norms.

I'm with the Muslim religion here !

This is auto-suggestion and blatant brainwashing of young vulnerable and impressionable children. It's wrong !

For goodness sake, be fair. We are a multicultural society so give the Muslims a chance to have and listen to their say too.

DoesAnyone do you mean that Victoria Derbyshire advocates medicating kids who dress outside the social norm? I hope not. I'm against that.

My DGS bought a pair of pink shorts the other day, and is now on the lookout for a yellow trench coat.

Some posters are advocating teaching some children that their parents are wrong. Dangerous ground in my opinion when the children are still at the age of thinking of their parents as the centre of their world.

Have you got that link right DoesAnyone?

One thing no-one on here seems to be looking at is what about the Muslim child who is gay? Who knows from an early age that he/she is not the same? And believe me you can sometimes tell even at 6 that someone is different to their peers. Does that child not have the right to know that although they may not be accepted by the religion they are born into the wider world has a place for them? You might also consider the LGBTQ teachers who have a right to know that their lifestyles are respected and don't have to be hidden away any longer.

God help them is all I can say to that trisher. Although I've no doubt some, perhaps many, of the Muslim population are becoming more enlightened.

What is the 'Q" now being added?

Yep Ginny I am definitely advocating that schools teach values of equality and respect for differences that are enshrined in our laws. I’m sure it’s not done by crassly stating your parents are wrong. What does a teacher do when a child hits another and the child says ‘my dad said to hit back when you’re hit’. ?

Going off topic now me.

maryeliza54 a teacher says that this is not acceptable in our school to a young child and gradually builds on that as the child gets older to say that there are consequences in society for agressive behaviour. What they don't do is stop teaching non-agression because a parent is agressive.

Q is Queer or questioning Gonegirl