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How very dare he!

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phoenix Sat 01-Jun-19 07:12:27

Bloody Trump, sticking his nose in!

The arrogance of the man angry

Callistemon Tue 04-Jun-19 20:01:13

I'm not sure which parts of Chaucer you read for 'A' level, maddyone but perhaps you missed this bit:

This Nicholas anon leet fle a fart,
As greet as it had been a thonder-dent,
700
That with the strook he was almoost yblent;
And he was redy with his iren hoot,
And Nicholas amydde the ers he smoot,
Of gooth the skyn an hande brede aboute,
The hoote kultour brende so his toute,
And for the smert he wende for to dye.
As he were wood, for wo he gan to crye,
"Help! Water! Water! Help for Goddes herte!"

Shakespeare was fond of fart jokes too, presented as innuendo.

Callistemon Tue 04-Jun-19 20:07:01

The sky is falling!!! No privacy!!! Not even when shoving me own species down me chlorinated gullet!
rosecarmel grin
or should I call you Henny Penny?

rosecarmel Tue 04-Jun-19 20:45:54

That works smile

Johno Thu 06-Jun-19 06:58:44

Trump is the best thing to happen to USA and the world for decades. Leadership is not a quality you have just because you get a top job. Leadership is a personal trait and Trump is a leader. If we had a leader like him we would be out of the EU with the EU begging us to be nice with them. Trump instantly stopped freedom of movement of people from Islamic countries with a questionable or proven record of threat. This is leadership. The people who protest against him shouting the defamatory comments always seem to be as thick as planks.NOt one can answer a direct question. They splutter and splatter and sound like children who have lost their Dummies. I truly hope Trump wins the 2020 election. The reason Britain is in the gutter, a second rate, almost fascist country is because of the 3 main parties, in the era of Miliband - Clegg - Cameron et al. were all in alignment and when you connive in this way you never make progress. TRUMP IS GREAT .. M>A>G>A

crystaltipps Thu 06-Jun-19 07:13:47

The fact that some believe Trump is the epitome of articulate and rational thought Is really disturbing.

absent Thu 06-Jun-19 07:27:31

Is Johno a genuine poster because he does sound like the many Russian bots we have seen on social media over the last few years? If he is genuine, perhaps he would be kind enough to explain his political viewpoint in a more reasoned and less abusive fashion.

Urmstongran Thu 06-Jun-19 07:50:45

I don’t think he is articulate and not even always sincere. But he puts America first, stands up for his country, leads from the front and does (or tries to) do what he will say he will. Not like our lot with their faux manifestos.

I like him. I wish he’d been negotiating Brexit!
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Alexa Thu 06-Jun-19 09:33:27

Urmstongran, he puts his own desires, not America, first. He has led America into the immorality of imprisoning small children apart from their parents for 40 hours was it?

Worst of all his evil deeds Trump has denied climate change.

If you like a man whose god is solely himself and his family then Trump is your man. But he is not your friend.

varian Thu 06-Jun-19 11:19:36

When Donald Trump is allowed to speak without the aid of notes or a teleprompter, he has a tendency to say alarming things. There is, of course, his uncontrollable compulsion to promote his business interests at every turn, like when he told Maria Bartiromo about the “beautiful piece of chocolate cake” he was eating at Mar-a-Lago while U.S. destroyers were raining missiles down on Syria.

There are his outrageous and easily debunked claims, such as his off-the-cuff remark about how he invented the phrase “priming the pump.” There are the wildly cringe-worthy moments, like when he implied Frederick Douglass was still alive or asked a black reporter to set up a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus, assuming that they must be friends. But above all else, the one thing that consistently sticks out as cause for concern are Trump’s crimes against the English language.

The majority of Trump sentences are sentence fragments. Words are arranged in a way that only he can understand (“There is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign, but I can always speak for myself, and the Russians, zero”). His limited vocabulary has the sophistication of a 7-year-old, which might explain why, when commenting on the bombing of an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester earlier this week, he described the perpetrators as “evil losers.”

As mere arm-chair psychologists and speakers of the English language, many have concluded, based on his oratory style, that something is wrong with the president. MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough has described the president as “a man in decline,” Andrew Sullivan has mused that he is “incapable of accepting reality” and “bonkers,” and Keith Olbermann has suggested, more bluntly, that Trump has a “mental illness.”

www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/donald-trump-brain-health

maddyone Thu 06-Jun-19 11:20:28

Hmmm, interesting posts. Well whether or not Trump is a leader, Theresa May certainly is not! I was disappointed when she became leader of the Conservatives and by default Prime Minister as I’ve never had a high opinion of her.
The visit appears to have gone well. Trump appears to have conducted himself well, apart from the spack with Khan just prior to arrival. That behaviour was reprehensible as was Khan’s own behaviour in needling Trump with his tweets.
The horrible behaviour of the woman who threw milkshake over an ex veteran Trump supporter during the march was disgusting in my opinion, in particular because she screamed at the veteran ‘Nazi scum.’ Apparently she has now apologised on social media, so at least she has recognised that her behaviour was horrible.

maddyone Thu 06-Jun-19 11:22:13

I take it you don’t like Trump Varian.

varian Thu 06-Jun-19 11:25:29

Whether I, or anyone else, dislikes Trump would not matter if he was not in such a powerful position. That is what is so alarming.

humptydumpty Thu 06-Jun-19 11:54:59

IMO whether or not Trump is a strong leader is irrelevant to whether he is a good president - after all, Hitler was also a strong leader.

Rufus2 Thu 06-Jun-19 13:11:30

My word, are you still at it? Relax! Next Monday is the Queen's official birthday and relaxing is what we will be up to in OZ because it's a public holiday in celebration! How's that for loyal subjects?
We've had some lovely D-Day tributes on TV and the Red Arrows made me feel really proud as always.
First class!
Mrs Trump always looks classy too! wink OoRoo

rosecarmel Thu 06-Jun-19 14:46:41

He has led America into the immorality of imprisoning small children apart from their parents for 40 hours was it?

Yes, ICE held children in vans for over 40 hours, it was reported, while in the process of reuniting them either with their parents or legal guardians-

And it is horrible-

However, when considering the many hundreds of miles they traveled, some on foot, the vans provided some comfort, representing the last step of their treacherous journey to freedom-

The immorality of the entire situation as a whole doesn't fall solely on US shoulders- But the bulk of the crisis has, and is a circumstance that no country can prepare for-

If president Trump is the epitome of disgusting, then the old saying must hold true: "It takes one to know one-" And as a result he is calling attention to many other equally disgusting policies and politicians in neighboring countries and around the globe-

The US will continue to absorb global glut -- until it doesn't-

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Jun-19 15:38:51

For those of you who do not doubt Trumps cognitive ability I give you this, said by Trump in Ireland

“Probably you will ask me about Brexit, because I have just left some very good people who are involved with Brexit as you know and I think it will work out all very well.
And also for you with your wall, your border. We have a border situation in the USA and you have one over here, but I hear it is going to work out very well.
The way it works out now is very good, and you want to keep it that way”

Jesus!! This from the leader of the free world.

humptydumpty Thu 06-Jun-19 15:39:43

sorry rose but are you saying that the many posters who believe that Trump is disgusting must be disgusting themselves?

rosecarmel Thu 06-Jun-19 15:42:30

I said: "And as a result he is calling attention to many other equally disgusting policies and politicians in neighboring countries and around the globe-"

Alexa Thu 06-Jun-19 15:52:22

Rosecarmel:

"If president Trump is the epitome of disgusting, then the old saying must hold true: "It takes one to know one-" "

Certainly we can recognise evil. Evil is easy to recognise. It's good that is hard to recognise.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Jun-19 15:53:19

It always astounds me how Trump has got away with his draft dodging, and how he has totally disrespected a genuine war hero like McCain.

maddyone Thu 06-Jun-19 15:57:19

Hitler was evil, Kim Jong-un is evil, and a great many more leaders have been or are evil. I’m not sure I’d put Trump into the bracket as them.

maddyone Thu 06-Jun-19 15:59:47

Clinton was a draft dodger, it seems that many people managed to avoid the draft in the USA. I’m in no way saying that draft dodging is a good thing, just that lots of people managed one way or another, to dodge the draft.
Actually, it’s war that is the bad thing, something we are all thinking about today.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Jun-19 16:03:19

Trump isn’t evil, unless you class someone who supports white supremacy as evil. What I do think however is that he has some sort of cognitive impairment. If you listen to his speech when not reading from a script it seems to becoming more and more limited. No one would accuse him of being cerebral that is for sure, but he appears to stop too far short of that to be comfortable in a world leader.

rosecarmel Thu 06-Jun-19 16:04:18

It's good that is hard to recognise.

Yes, I've noticed- The compulsion to throw the baby out with the bath water is proof-

But not everyone has that compulsion- Some actually are determined to throw the baby out and save the water, filter it for future use-

Many of his efforts, although poorly executed, focus on issues that have festered-

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Jun-19 16:06:50

mad I am sorry I didn’t explain that very well. I should have prefixed my sentence with “in a country who admires their servicemen, and who hold celebrations on their return*

I agree with your sentiment