Project Fear- they said ...

Farage is on his way to visit Trump now.

Day6, do you really think now that Corbyn will have any say?

In the interest of not generating fear, tell us scaremongers then why the NHS is even ON the bloody table in the first place. There can be only one reason, and that's because it's going to be part of the trade deal. There can be no other reason.

Day6, we all know that trumps office minions do whatever Trump instructs them to do with no argument whatsoever as they have to, or like many of their predecessors be "out the door".

As he has been prepared to take on the Chinese Government and the world in regard to Huawei, then he will have no second thoughts about similar action with a very much smaller nation and Government.
Trump will be telling those minions to inform the British negotiators that they have to be prepared to allow United States based pharmaceutical companies to compete for business in a reformed "commercial British Health Care system."

And Farage will no doubt find words to agree with that.

From the Guardian 23.12 3rd June 2019
The US president, Donald Trump, has talked up the possibility of a post-Brexit trade deal between Washington and London during his state visit. Trump claimed talks were already happening after his ambassador made clear the US would expect to be allowed business access to the NHS as part of any deal.

Apologies that should be "Health care suppliers" not "pharmaceutical companies" in my above post.

The NHS is on the table for a deal. How is that a distortion of the truth?

Woody Johnson, urged the UK to open up its markets and insisted practices such as washing chicken in chlorine to kill pathogens were safe.

US Ambassador Woody Johnson has also indicated that the US will want business access to the NHS as part of any deal. He told the BBC’s Andrew Marr show on Sunday: “I think the entire economy, in a trade deal, all things that are traded would be on the table.” Asked if that specifically meant healthcare, he said: “I would think so.”

Is the US Ambassador scaremongering?

Although I was expecting to hear that Trump was going to meet up with Farage my stomach still lurched when I heard it on the news just now. At what point will brexiters admit that Brexit is about privatising the NHS; not saving it. A friend of the family who is an anaesthetist in the NHS is horrified by what is happening at the moment...

Day6 you said It is quite shameful that the gullible will believe this distortion of the truth. But that's what they are aiming for. Is it any more shameful that all the lies and cheating of the Leave campaign? I don't think so when even the BBC is tweeting about this. At least it has some basis and not made up.

Did Trump say that it must be on the table or that it could be on the table? I heard him on the radio this afternoon and I understood that he was saying that anything can be considered in a trade deal. I would hope that the NHS is not included.

Parsely he can do what he likes, he could impose it as part of the deal and we would be in such a weak position we would have to accept whatever he offered. This explains what our situation will be: www.facebook.com/BestForBritain/videos/355252268680554/

And, it can only be on the table if we agree.

We obviously would be better off staying within the EU but wringing our hands and starting new threads about the horror of it all, wont help!

Problem is kitty, is that we are not in a position to disagree- we are in a very weak position, alone and isolated, with no effective Government, in totally divided.

In June 2016, Pascal Lamy, ex WTO Chief, gave clear warnings about this- but, as the title says, it was called 'Project Fear'. We were in a much stronger position then- then we are now 3 years later.

youtu.be/Z6LVNpfES8k

Donald Trump's attitude to statesmanship is to aim for financial profitability before all else. The NHS is (as he sees it) ripe for commercialisation and for being turned into a nice little earner for US healthcare busineeses, in which he will no doubt be acquiring major shareholdings, if he doesn't have them already.

He is also very close to acting as a dictator in the country that elected him as POTUS, firing all those who don't fall into line with his own propositions and interests, and bullying his way yo supreme and unchallenged power.

It would not surprise me at all if he succeeded in making British national healthcare into a subsidiary of the incredibly profitable US health industry.

The founders of our groundbreaking NHS "cradle to grave" system of medical care for ALL citizens, whether rich or poor, whether working, unemployed or retired, paid for by the tax contributions of those lucky enough to be fit and working, must be turning in their graves.

"The NHS was created out of the ideal that good healthcare should be available to all, regardless of wealth. When it was launched by the then minister of health, Aneurin Bevan, on July 5 1948, it was based on 3 core principles:

that it meet the needs of everyone
that it be free at the point of delivery
that it be based on clinical need, not ability to pay

These 3 principles have guided the development of the NHS for the past 70 years and remain at its core."

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cabinetpapers/alevelstudies/origins-nhs.htm

and totally divided ...

Oh for heavens sake. Some of you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Also I am not a 'leftie' nor am I scaremongering. I truly despair. Sticking your fingers in your ears and singing la-la-la may be how you deal with important issues but it will let you down eventually as will Farage.

Just heard this on the news. Shocked. I so wish we could stay in the EU.

Length of time taken to produce a trade deal. Sometime after the referendum a trade negotiator was interviewed on the Daily Politics. She said that it had taken 7 years for a trade deal with Canada to be agreed and she demonstrated the height of the document - around 8 inches. She also said that there are insufficient experienced personnel in the UK to negotiate such deals.

Parsley3 - Trump said that it could be on the table and when pressed, said that it would be.

Beginning to smell the Arabica anyone?

There was an American commentator today who said that the U.K. will inevitably be in a weaker position post Brexit and might find it difficult to defend the NHS from the vested interests in the USA

Thank goodness we are still members of the European Union and not at the mercy of this chancer.

We need to Revoke Article 50 asap.

From the guardian today:

“When you’re dealing on trade, everything is on the table. So NHS or anything else. A lot more than that,” he said, although May appeared to have to explain to Trump what the NHS was before he answered the question.

A No 10 spokesman said only that there was a review of the Huawei plans under way and declined to say whether the NHS could be part of any trade deal.

Trump must be the only businessman in the USA who doesn’t know what the nhs is. We can be dead certain that pharmaceutical companies, medical suppliers and health insurance companies amongst others have their eyes on what is seen as a very lucrative market.

Everything I listen to about our relationship with the USA today, post Brexit is telling me that we will be much the weaker partner. It is so worrying.

Yes, the NHS will indeed be an attractive market for the USA. Why would they not want to include it in a deal?
We are sitting ducks.
But as trade deals take years to complete what are we going to do in the meantime? That promise on the side of the bus is our only hope.............?

Oh yes! How’s the court case going?