Project Fear- they said ...

Nonnie Sun 09-Jun-19 10:58:0

"POGS about the Japan/EU trade agreement. In a few years the tariff on Japanese cars will have gone completely. How can we expect to get a similar deal with Japan when we have nothing to bargain with?"
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No idea. Not a question anyone can answer if they are being honest but no doubt some think they can declare they know.

POGS I can't see a reason Japan would want such a trade deal with us as they have with the EU. I think they don't need to and will, like other countries, be able to drive a very hard bargain with us. Anyone selling cars to us will be able to add huge tariffs as the only ones we will be making will be Morgans!

Nonnie Mon 10-Jun-19 12:21:00

" I do hope POGS will come back to answer my response to her post but it doesn't usually happen from leavers."
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You have joined the club that expect posters to respond in hours. Have a tad more patience and show a little more respect for the fact posters are not at anyone's ' beck and call' and have a life beyond Gransnet!

Your post implied I was ' a Lever'

Why?

At best you were being opinionated at worst you were knowingly lying about me. To be Frank I care not which but to reiterate I voted to REMAIN in the EU Referendum.

I have been disgusted at the rhetoric against those who voted Leave and have often said so, usually resulting in some foolish poster accusing me of therefore being a Leaver.

I did for the sake of transparency say if there were to be another EU Referendum I may change my mind.

POGS bit harsh don't you think if you read my post? I was very polite. Sorry but as I don't monitor you or anyone else I didn't know whether you were pro or anti the EU. I thought your post sounded a bit anti EU but did not say you were.

Where did I suggest you respond quickly? I didn't. To paraphrase - you have joined the club which misinterprets (deliberately??) others' posts to fit their own agenda.

If you think I am one of the people referred to in your penultimate paragraph please give me an example because I haven't. However I have been on the receiving end of their disgusting rhetoric.

Definitely I was having an opinion, not much point posting on here without one! Do not accuse me of lying, I didn't. Be 'Frank' if you want to be (whoever he is) but why also be unpleasant?

I will try to remember you are a remainer but I "have a life beyond Gransnet" and don't keep a list of who supports what.

Nonnie

We will have to beg to differ I'm afraid.

" I do hope POGS will come back to answer my response to her post but it doesn't usually happen from leavers."

That was not polite in my opinion, nor the time line but I guess we will have to accept that it is all a matter of being ' in the eye of the beholder.'

nonnie ?ever onwards?

POGS you had a choice, you could take what I said at face value or you could decide to interpret it. I'm sorry you chose the latter.

Thanks White. I try very hard to remain polite despite have some very 'robust' thoughts

Wonderfully said:

www.facebook.com/leedsforeurope/videos/198685417695714/

Back to the NHS: seen this?

And this?

According to the US Census Bureau, 28.5million people (8.8% of the population) had no health insurance at all, during 2017, a proportion broadly similar to the previous year. In UK terms, 8.8% of the population (66.04 million in 2017) is 5.8 million people. Being uninsured is associated with higher risk of mortality.

So those of you who welcome the "free trade" coming with Brexit and the sell off of the UK - are you happy for your friends and family to be amongst the uninsured, because we've sold the NHS to US private companies, in order to get a trade deal? Will you sell your house and other possessions to pay your hospital bills if you get sick? Are you ok that the problems we face now with the cost of paying for social care is extended to paying for health care?

I'm completely perplexed as to why people don't get the danger we're in here. If someone could just explain to me why they want to leave the EU, and what benefits it will bring, I'd be happy - or, well, maybe not happy, but I might understand it. What I don't understand is the motivation for leaving. Is it immigration? Is it "control". Is it some nebulous sense of "sovereignty"? Could someone explain the benefits, in practical terms? Has it become some sort of one-upmanship with the EU, now that the complications of leaving are exposed? Someone, please, explain in rational terms - that is, give me a good argument, because I'm completely lost. Certainly, none of the elite establishment leavers like Farage, Johnson, Raab etc have provided anything approximating an argument - just vague promises and jingoism.

That is a very moving video of a speech by Sheila Hancock, Jura. I think she is probably older than most GNetters, having lived through the war and I think I did see a survey which found that, unlike most over-sixties, her generation mostly voted Remain.

My dad lived through the war (and is still going, accumulating great grandchildren). He was a Conservative voter all of his life, and a Telegraph reader. He was so disgusted with the lies told by the leave campaign and by the Telegraph that he cancelled his subscription. I never thought I'd see that day. His mum - my granny - had all sorts of health problems that today would have been seen to by the NHS. And his dad was in Africa during the war. Both would have been sickened by what this country is becoming as a consequence of the rise of vicious populist politics and the breaking of bonds with Europe. We've made ourselves an international laughing stock.

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?

Field work dates: 1 August 2016 - 10 June 2019

Looking over many months, back the majority opinion is constistently giving the answer "wrong" - the UK was wrong to vote to leave the EU.

That is as near as we can get to the current "will of the people" without having a people's vote.

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/?removed

This is no project, it is the reality, 1933 style

anyone who lived the air raids during WW2 must be terrified - and sickened, by this cheap, nasty, disgusting use for Farage's rally. Just sick he is mad, and anyone who thinks the use of air raid sirens for his campaign, and rising right arm with glow stick - must be too.

youtu.be/eXk0tChqOUk

Shame, shame on him and on all of them.