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Is there anything that this government has done right?

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 10-Jun-19 16:44:16

Royal Liverpool Hospital.

The old one is falling down. The new one was being built by Carrillion and because of government cuts it means that Carrillion was carrying out it own standards inspection.

Result - 3 floors deemed unsafe. So we now have a half built crappy hospital.

If they get voted back in should there be a GE then I will truly know that we are living in a mad house.

Grany Mon 10-Jun-19 16:54:35

No this government has not done anything right.
Shrink the state, privatisation of the NHS most have shares in private health companies. Make the top 1% richer by stealing from the poor.

We need a GE

Day6 Mon 10-Jun-19 16:56:55

However, many of us fear the madhouse that would materialise should far-left Labour's Corbyn and his Marxist allies get the keys to number ten.

I think the Conservative Party is washed up - for the time being. If there was a GE now they wouldn't stand a chance. One has to hope that it will be a while before the next election, because UK politics is in a mess generally. If the two party system ensues the UK is going to swing from one grim scenario to the next one.

Labour cannot end austerity (although since when has balancing the books been called 'austerity'?) but could embark on a spend, spend spend spree which the taxpayer will have to pay for. And after a few years we are back to square one..the next party in power being the bad guys because they have to tighten the nation's belt.

kittylester Mon 10-Jun-19 16:57:50

And, then, would everything be wonderful? Doubt it!!

kittylester Mon 10-Jun-19 17:00:30

My post was started prior to Day6's with which I agree.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 10-Jun-19 17:01:27

I’m not suggesting any particular alternative I simply think that to re-elect such a utterly incompetent, vindictive and immoral party would be madness.

Luckygirl Mon 10-Jun-19 17:07:01

Can't argue with that. Madness indeed.

Day6 Mon 10-Jun-19 17:17:07

such a utterly incompetent, vindictive and immoral party

I hate to point it out Whitewave but the same slurs could be levied against Corbyn's Labour party, couldn't they?

An incompetent Leader of the opposition who needs notes before he speaks in the house, sits on the fence, changes direction, a puppet of his masters, blows with the prevailing wind etc, and the vindictive and immoral nature of 1) the Momentum-led NEC and 2) the vein of antisemitism which runs deep within the Labour party.

Not the credentials I want for our next government I am afraid. hmm

CyclingKnitter Mon 10-Jun-19 17:17:52

I agree Whitewavemark2. Neither Labour nor Tory. The Tories have proved their complete incompetence, racism and sexism (with austerity disproportionately impacting on women) and are in a hurry to sell off the NHS. Meanwhile Corbyn is old-fashioned left-wing - wants to be surrounded by men, has clearly got a problem with addressing anti-semitism (as the Tories have with their anti-Muslim/anti-Islam views).

EllanVannin Mon 10-Jun-19 17:24:45

We in the NW are heartily sick of the North/South divide and my local Echo has got a bold heading which states :
" It's time to Power-Up the North ", with 36 other newsbrands joining forces.

I find it utterly disgusting that a government can ignore the existence of a population yet still expect a vote for their seat in Parliament.

I've said on more than one occasion that I wouldn't ever protest, but something such as this is definitely worth protesting about. We have suffered the " poor relations " for long enough .

I quote, " If Westminster continues to put London and the South's interest first, then all parties risk being abandoned and obsolete in an increasingly disenchanted , disadvantaged and furious North, " unquote.

Iam64 Mon 10-Jun-19 20:14:14

We're living in interesting and rather depressing times. I can't think of anything the government has done right, nor the government before it.
The last time we had a government that did some things right by public service, including the health, education, police and social services, it was 1997 and Tony Blair was PM. Yes I know, Pfi wasn't the best but look at the schools, family centres, new hospitals etc set up that transformed deprived communities.
The was in Iraq was an unmitigated disaster and that of course dominates any discussion on the Blair/Brown years.

It looks as though we may be heading for Boris as PM. Dreadful prospect. Flashman barging through, immoral, dishonest, self seeking, unreliable, lazy, reactive, impulsive, nothing positive about that possibility.

I wish I could be more enthusiastic about the current labour leadership. Having said that, if we have a General Election, I'll vote for our local Labour MP - good person. The Labour manifesto has much more I like than dislike. I just wish the Leader and his group of supporters felt more prime ministerial, reliable and skilled. Still, no contest, it's them or the tories under our FPTP system, so it's them.

Caledonai14 Mon 10-Jun-19 20:24:05

In answer to the OP question, no, nothing right that I can think of.

I'm just as annoyed at Labour as I am at the Tories for the mess we are in.

And now we have a leadership contest which should have happened last Autumn, with some of the cendidates openly supporting a no-deal Brexit and a couple hinting they will suspend Parliament to force it through.

Halloween is going to be awfully scary this year.

GabriellaG54 Mon 10-Jun-19 20:32:31

They don't make buildings like they used to.
I recently saw an old photo of the hospital where I started my training in 1962. The Women's Hospital in Catherine Street. My room was above the letter 'S' in Women's.
Happy days.

EllanVannin Mon 10-Jun-19 23:04:22

I trained at Whiston hospital Gabriella and that's changed a lot. They even had " huts " when I was there in 1956 as I worked on hut 16 mens surgical----horrible old places when I think back.
I was actually born there in 1940.

GabriellaG54 Mon 10-Jun-19 23:14:38

Huts? Good grief. That must have been a tough situation. Were they Nissan huts y'know like half moon shapes?

Grany Mon 10-Jun-19 23:50:11

"One must admire the incredible skills the media have in manipulating the population. They've managed to convince many that the most passionate anti-racist campaigner of the last 40 years, Jeremy Corbyn, is pro-racist and anti-Semitic" Noam Chomsky

That's what you find, people quoting word for word what they read in these Billionaire owned propaganda smearing newspapers.

For instance Capitalism or neoliberalism what we have had for a long time (as opposed to socialism) is geared towards the establishment the top 1% of richest to the detriment of the rest of society.

There is no such thing as trickle down economics the rich don't share their wealth they stash it away in tax heavens avoid paying tax on large amounts of their wealth. Then we all suffer public services not being given the money it needs to benefit society as a whole. The government giving tax cuts to big corporations and the very rich not pursuing tax avoiding companies.

Austerity is not a necessity it's an ideology it's economic murder. The government finance is not run like a household budget though they want you to believe that to fool people into believing that austerity is nessessity it's not.

People talk about spend spend spend another tactic to smear Labour, you have to borrow to invest in the economy with excellent polices, all costed and carefully thought out, as in their manifesto.

The Labour Party will tackle climate change and many other amazing things, take a look. We need Socialism right now for a better more fairer equal society for the many with Jeremy Corbyn and his wonderful team in the Labour Party

The Tory debt is in the trillions didn't reduce it as they said many times, so not the party to trust with your money. They are pretty poor at everything the Tories.

crystaltipps Tue 11-Jun-19 07:26:20

A complete change to our so called parliamentary democracy is needed. If we were planning it today we wouldn’t design the 18th century model we currently have. Of course our current bunch won’t vote themselves out of a job so I guess we need a revolution. Come back Oliver Cromwell.

GracesGranMK3 Tue 11-Jun-19 09:25:49

I would be happy to have written every word of your post (Mon 10-Jun-19 23:50:11) Grany. It is good to see someone putting the use of the weasel words of the current Groupthink in its place.

And then we have Day 6. The keyboard warrior who comes out with not only Group Think but very, very old Groupthink with that very old-fashioned idea that However, many of us fear the madhouse that would materialise should far-left Labour's Corbyn and his Marxist allies get the keys to number ten.

What the Corbyn led Labour Party has suggested is less 'left-wing' than the way those countries which often show as the happiest places to live do - the Nordic countries. These highly democratised countries have looked to the future and not to the past. Something that cannot be said about the current (or any) Tory government.

Tories expect to rule. Look at how their supporters speak to us. No debate just telling us what to do. How could they have been a good government in a time when autonomy and a sense of agency are what we look for. They have ignored the increased education of their voters.

They have gone for the Victorian blame game of deserving and undeserving instead of understanding the changes from employment to work for many. These jobs, however hard they work do not give them a living and this is spreading into what were the previous "middle-class" jobs such as doctors, solicitors, etc. They do not look to the future unless they are drilled for short speeches because they are the Party of the Past; a party of no change.

They cannot, with their current membership of mainly older, white men do anything other than churn out what they have always said. They have no way they can move forward and take the young, the well educated, the women with them without upsetting that base. So they will choose someone like Boris for their leader because that is what their base will vote for - and thankfully someone like Boris will loose them the next election.

Grany Tue 11-Jun-19 12:03:33

I would be happy to have written every word of your post (Mon 10-Jun-19 23:50:11) Grany. It is good to see someone putting the use of the weasel words of the current Groupthink in its place

Thank you GracesGranMK3
I totally agree with everything you said in your post Tue 11-Jun-19 09:25:49 Well Said.

yggdrasil Tue 11-Jun-19 13:23:59

Just seen your post, and I endorse every word of it too.

EllanVannin Tue 11-Jun-19 13:51:13

Not quite like that Gabriella, more an enlarged brick-built air-raid shelter. Draughty, cold eerie places in winter which would test anyone's resilience.

EllanVannin Tue 11-Jun-19 13:55:40

Marty Wilde's wife's brother was on that ward before he was transferred to Sefton general where he sadly died at a young age.

Day6 Tue 11-Jun-19 19:03:07

They've managed to convince many that the most passionate anti-racist campaigner of the last 40 years, Jeremy Corbyn, is pro-racist and anti-Semitic" Noam Chomsky

Oh dear, an apologist for Corbyn (via Twitter propaganda) So many members of the Labour Partyhave been involved in antisemitic incidents and then plead ignorance. It is becoming laughable.

You'd like so very much to blame media manipulation for the light in which the Labour Party is viewed, but sadly, even the latest recruit, the MP for Peterborough has had to plead innocence and apologise for supporting and 'liking' antisemitic texts.

It is a stain you cannot wash out I am afraid, despite your protests that we have all been fooled.

It has happened time and time again for it to be a miscarriage of justice, or a misunderstanding. It is a very worrying and despicable trend and makes the Labour Party unelectable.

Oh and check your sources Grany instead of quoting from Labour love-in sites on Twitter. (Perhaps Whitewave needs to do that too as s/he fully endorses your post.)

It is a fabrication. There is no evidence of Chomsky saying this at all.

Your quote and a rebuttal. "It appears to be using its own words/analysis to link Labour anti-semitism to Chomsky’s ideas around “manufacturing consent”

There is no evidence to suggest Chomsky is a Corbyn fan, much as you'd like him to be. hmm

Whitewavemark2 Tue 11-Jun-19 19:15:39

Oh dear day6 I’m very much afraid that you are entirely wrong in your assertions about Chomsky. I hope that doesn’t make you even crosser as You sound terribly cross are you having a bad day? If so I hope it improves?.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 12-Jun-19 08:50:14

There definitely seem to be people losing the plot when others contradict their propaganda on here. What I would still like to know is, whatever group these people belong to - and it is just as likely that they are not LP members - why the police appear to be doing nothing and why, indeed, the newspapers who are so happy to attribute this to the LP are not identifying individuals.

Until those things happen, and whatever is needed to identify each and every person breaking the law is done, then I will simply not believe it is the fault of a political party but that people in general, for whatever reason, feel able to be just as they would have been but at one time in the pub.

As I have said before, I believe it exists but have never seen any antisemitism attached or unattached to the LP. I have seen a great deal of Islamaphobia from people supporting both the Tories and more so, the Brexit Party and in the past UKIP - basically Farage followers. I wonder why that rarely hits the papers or discussions on here?