Gransnet forums

News & politics

Why do Conservatives like Johnson?

(385 Posts)
Alexa Wed 19-Jun-19 09:06:02

Most of the Conservative MPs are intelligent , I must suppose. I am not being sarcastic, I truly dont know why they want Johnson.

sarahcyn Sat 22-Jun-19 10:07:12

Isn’t this a question for Conservative Party members to answer?
It’s remarkable how many people think they know how Tories think, when they hardly know any Tories.
I have always been a Tory voter and last year I joined formally with the specific aim of being able to volunteer for Shaun Bailey, who is an excellent London mayoral candidate. I also voted to leave the EU because I feel the EU is an unrepresentative, fairly corrupt organisation and as a campaigner for animal welfare I’m very disappointed by the EU’s hypocrisy on that and other environmental issues.
I also believe in a mainly free market economy, private enterprise, pride in one’s country and the freedom of the individual - all values I have always assumed to be basically Tory.
So that’s where I stand.
But whenever I ask other Tories this question - why do people support Boris Johnson - the answer is always on the lines of “because he’s popular...the members love him”. Nobody can actually pin down anything more specific - it’s always circular: “they love him because he’s popular”.
So: MPs think party members like Boris. So they think he is a dead cert to win.
But nobody actually likes Boris, or feels loyalty to Boris, or gratitude to Boris, except Boris. They just believe other people do. He is loved in the way people “love” a TV celebrity. It’s no deeper than that. It can and will all turn around in an instant. He hasn’t saved the nation, like Churchill.
I think after yesterday’s disgusting debacle Boris is going to pull out again, as he doesn’t have the bottle to find out what Tory party members really think of him in a secret ballot.

WadesNan Sat 22-Jun-19 10:07:15

I read an account from another neighbour who said his partner was doing all the shouting and screaming, this neighbour said his voice was much quieter and calmer.

WWM2 is now accusing him of "possible domestic violence". There is no evidence of that. If this was just an argument between two strong minded people then it is no-one else's business. IF there is evidence either of them was violent towards the other then yes it needs to be investigated.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Jun-19 10:24:30

Bozo has form, whether it is infidelity, encouraging a woman to abort his child or trying to suppress knowledge of his serial mothers.

Finding it difficult to believe that he had suddenly had a Damascene moment recently.

WadesNan Sat 22-Jun-19 10:38:59

I am no fan of Boris but I am sure he is not the first man (politician or not) who has been unfaithful, not wanted a child or tried to keep his private life private.

As far as I am aware he has never been accused of domestic violence - despite what you would like to believe.

Caledonai14 Sat 22-Jun-19 10:40:47

Tinking is a verb meaning (in this part of Scotland) having an argument loud enough to be heard by others and aggressive or insulting (or informative) enough to hint at the possibility of violence or further conflict.

It usually means having a bit of a yell/standoff in the street, but is most worrying when either a) You are caught in a confined space like a small shop where two people are tinking closeby, or b) you can hear it through walls but not sure how genuine and have the dilemma of whether to take action - as in call the police or knock on the door. It's particularly difficult at night, especially in the current climate of increased awareness of domestic abuse and the kind of social media criticism of "witnesses" who do nothing.

If I heard screaming and shouting and smashing and a female voice shouting "get off me" through the walls, I would have phoned the police.

Callistemon Sat 22-Jun-19 10:43:35

Thank you, I live and learn.
I thought it was a knitting term
Perhaps it's all unravelling!

Callistemon Sat 22-Jun-19 10:45:21

I may have been that concerned too, we may have gone round to make sure all was OK, but not recorded it or gone to the papers.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Jun-19 12:26:02

One major irritation of Johnson’s recent neighbours is his continual flouting if the law with regards parking restrictions.

Apparently his car is littered with tickets.

Time it was towed away.

Dinahmo Sat 22-Jun-19 14:31:30

WadesNan Boris certainly isn't the first and he won't be the last to father an illegitimate child. Cast your mind back to Cecil Parkinson and his behaviour towards Sarah Keays and their daughter. At the same time he was part of the cabinet that espoused family values - ie - do what I say, not what I do. That's one reason why I and many non Tories object to Johnson's behaviour.

varian Sat 22-Jun-19 15:32:40

That marked the end of Cecil Parkinson's career. He was demoted, not promoted to the top job because of it.

Gonegirl Sat 22-Jun-19 15:51:24

I may have been that concerned too, we may have gone round to make sure all was OK, but not recorded it or gone to the papers.

I would have just listened with my ear to the wall and possibly a glass tumbler

suziewoozie Sat 22-Jun-19 17:03:13

A lng time ago we had next door neighbours (semi) whose marriage was clearly hitting the rocks. We heard many a one way screaming match (wife) listing the husband’s many failings. Never any other noises and we were never worried for anyone’s safety. But two years ago a row erupted at the house opposite with much noise inside and out in the street. It felt worrying - we called the police but they never came and everyone seemed OK next day. None of my neighbours was running to be PM just to be clear.

Dinahmo Sat 22-Jun-19 17:03:54

Perhaps they would like to do the things he does?

Grany Sat 22-Jun-19 17:06:50

This sums him up pretty good.

twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1141223229543112704?s=20

Ginny42 Sat 22-Jun-19 17:26:12

Yes Grany, but no one seems to care about what he's done and I am at a loss to understand why. People continue to adulate the man capable of those acts highlighted in the video. We can keep repeating them, but obviously 160 Tory MPs are unconcerned about his record of lying and homophobia and racism. Amazing isn't it?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Jun-19 17:57:38

I’m sure his gilt must be wearing a bit thin. His hustings performance was something to behold. Grim isn’t the word.

kittylester Sat 22-Jun-19 18:24:43

Not read any of the thread but I'd like to say, in reply to the OP question, that not all of us do.

Ginny42 Sat 22-Jun-19 20:24:28

WWM2 I agree. I think his was a very poor performance that evening, full of waffle, subterfuge and bluff.

He's being buoyed up because Tories think he will help them fend off Farage. I imagine the logic is that people think he's a bit of a cad, but will bring us out of the EU by hook or by crook and prevent wholesale defection to the BP.

I read this article and wondered how on earth is he favourite in the race for the highest and most prestigious job in the country, when his behaviour should be an embarrassment? It's all a huge confidence trick and as this article reveals he has a deep seated problem with Brussels.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/24/the-empty-promise-of-boris-johnson

varian Sun 23-Jun-19 09:29:19

Thanks for the link Ginny the article is very revealing. The man's a clown and a fraud. People should be warned before it's too late. He has no principles but has used his priviledged background' clownish persona and 'way with words' to distract from the truth that he is, as Eddie Mair pointed out to his face "a nasty piece of works"

Gonegirl Sun 23-Jun-19 10:01:26

Someone on Radio 4 this morning said that Boris is a shy person! Who knew?! shock

Gonegirl Sun 23-Jun-19 10:04:29

His plan for getting us out of the EU, which he related yesterday, did sound good. Perhaps he should be PM just until we are finally out. Not that I want us out. I am a remainer, but obviously, it's got to happen now.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 23-Jun-19 10:06:31

Plan what plan? It passed me by.

varian Sun 23-Jun-19 10:42:41

It seems far from obvious that we should leave now we know that leaving would trash our economy, endanger our NHS, compromise our security and irrevocably damage our standing in the world.

Googes41 Sun 23-Jun-19 11:02:38

And it only day 2!!!

Ginny42 Sun 23-Jun-19 11:09:38

What? Blink! I missed his plan.