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Why do Conservatives like Johnson?

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Alexa Wed 19-Jun-19 09:06:02

Most of the Conservative MPs are intelligent , I must suppose. I am not being sarcastic, I truly dont know why they want Johnson.

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 10:02:55

Not as PM - chance would be a fine thing!
I include the Liberal Party too and yes, I was a fan of Thorpe, but never did like Smith the paedophile even before the revelations.

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 10:05:44

I was answering GrannyGravy's post so thought my remark was relevant.

Imo Ed would be better not to remain more dignified.
He could have expressed himself better than that.

jura2 Wed 26-Jun-19 13:11:48

OK, never mind his private, shambolic life.

Surely the fact he is incapable, cannot stop lying, bumbling, has not got a clue, and cannot be trusted in any way shape or form- is enough NOT to elect him.

Stewart said it very clearly in LBC interview- he would be terrible for the image of the country, and will probably be tripped up by his worst enemy - himself.

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 13:36:51

Imo Ed would be better not to remain more dignified.
I meant that Ed would be better to remain more dignified.
He is not being dignified in that picture, GrannyGravy!
I was obviously in need of a strong coffee when I posted.

Day6 Wed 26-Jun-19 13:51:11

HildaW 10:38:36, What a wise post.

In truth, matter in Parliament have come to a head. I have never known such a shambles or a bunch of self-serving, point-scoring, untrustworthy politicians.

Johnson is one of a bad lot. If anything, Brexit has shone a light on the people who are representing us, and it's not a pretty sight. never have I known so many dodgy characters in positions of power.

In the house they want a vote of no confidence. Outside the house the public have little confidence in any of the major players right now.

The games playing has to stop. Brexit has to happen, the matter has to be resolved and then if there is a GE hopefully some of the MPs who have revealed they are not up to the job will fade into the background or lose their seats. The winds of change need to blow through the House of Commons.

Brexit is the stumbling block. We need forward movement, and soon. I don't care much who takes the reins now as long as we exit the EU. Whoever becomes the next PM his tenure will be short lived. Thank goodness.

varian Wed 26-Jun-19 18:44:09

Brexit does not have to happen. Although leaving did get a small majority of those who voted in the fraudulent referendum three years ago, we now know so much more about the damaging effects of any kind of brexit and all opinion polls for a very long time show a majority for Remain.

Every responsible MP should be concerned to do their primary duty never to damage the United Kingdom should vote to Revoke Article 50 so that we remain in the EU.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 26-Jun-19 19:16:14

The world is looking incredulous at the U.K. over Brexit and now it is unbelievable at the prospect of Johnson as prime minister.

www.theweek.co.uk/101958/what-the-rest-of-the-world-thinks-of-boris-johnson

Pantglas1 Wed 26-Jun-19 19:26:34

I have to say the rest of the world, and US in particular have no business judging Boris for his adultery given the elected Kennedy and Clinton.....

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 19:28:17

I don't think that half of America is looking aghast - after all they voted for Trump!
shock
They probably think that Boris is really well-behaved.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 26-Jun-19 19:31:23

Um! I think you will find that they are judging him on his incapacity to keep it in his trousers and sheer buffoonery, as well as his total incompetence both as foreign secretary and other jobs he’s failed at.

£64million is gathering dust somewhere.

varian Wed 26-Jun-19 19:34:57

BJ's adultery is the least of his failings.

His narcissism, his laziness, his inability to understand detailed issues, his buffonery (whether or not it is just a clownish act), his sense of entitlement, his lack of principles, his lack of empathy or compassion for others, his careless disregard for the Union, but most of all the fact that he is a habitual liar of the first order - all these thing should automatically disqualify him from becoming our PM.

On the other hand, quite a lot of Tory Party voters seem to think this appalling person could beat Corbyn in a GE and therefore be the saviour of their dying party.

Decent British people look on and despair at how low our politics have sunk.

Pantglas1 Wed 26-Jun-19 19:38:07

Surely not on the incapacity to keep it in his trousers Whitewavemark2 - they wouldn’t be that hypocritical.....
Oh wait....

Whitewavemark2 Wed 26-Jun-19 19:40:13

That’s the least of their criticisms and purely something to be laughed about.

But this is our prime minister we are talking about

Day6 Wed 26-Jun-19 19:42:59

Every responsible MP should be concerned to do their primary duty never to damage the United Kingdom should vote to Revoke Article 50

Hmm. Varian you are biased.

Many, many people see exiting the EU as a positive move in the right direction and see a brighter future for the UK once we are freed of the (expensive) shackles which tie us to Brussels.

Do not forget many of the doom-laden forecasts made by Remainer economists after the referendum have proved to be completely wrong and way off the mark. Even Bank of England governor Mark Carney's forecasts were embarrassingly inaccurate.

I imagined Remainers had ditched their crystal balls. No one knows for sure what the future holds. Do you have faith in the Euro, for example? Is it about to collapse? Shouldn't that be a guide if you want to tie us to the EU? Would you be happy for us to bail out the Euro and the economies of EU member states which falter?

Lots to consider.

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 20:13:40

I don't think European leaders will be laughing at his private life - after all, where France, Italy etc leads in adultery, the UK seems to be following!

I think they should judge him on his political record.
And vote for Hunt

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 20:17:20

Thanks for the link, whitewave, it is very funny!

The New York Times has published an even more damning opinion piece by sociologist William Davies, who claims that a “fanatical sect has hijacked British politics”.

Ha ha ha, that is so ironic - do they not realise?

However, the Australian Financial Review’s Hans van Leeuwen argues that Johnson’s “broader charm and charisma” marks him out from Trump.
“The Left may loathe him, but he can win over the uncommitted with his plain speech and political stardust,” van Leeuwen says.

The Australians do like plain speech but there is plain speech and then there is foot in mouth syndrome.

Glammy57 Wed 26-Jun-19 20:31:40

I have to laugh at people referring to Boris as B.J!!! ?. He’s a despicable rich boy.

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 20:34:12

Not sure I understand why calling him BJ is funny.,
Perhaps I'm missing something.

Despising something just because they are rich is prejudiced, it's his other attributes I find worrying.
Corbyn was 'a rich boy' too

Callistemon Wed 26-Jun-19 20:34:28

someone not something!

petra Wed 26-Jun-19 20:51:18

We have spoken to quite a few people in the past 7 days on our boat trip through France: they love Boris.
One night we were tied up alongside a barge full of Americans: they just love his voice ?

Dinahmo Thu 27-Jun-19 00:37:31

I don't care who does what to whom, as long as they don't frighten the horses. A variant of a comment made by Mrs Patrick Campbell c. 1910.

However, I do object to politicians doing one thing and then preaching about family values, although there's not much preaching going on at the moment.

M0nica Thu 27-Jun-19 09:39:29

what no one seems to take onboard is tat Boris Johnson has already held one of the three key government posts - that of Foreign Secretary and in that role he was a complete disaster.

He has been described as one of the worst Foreign Secretaries we have had in over a century. In that post he committed inumerable gaffes that caused offence to other countries and endangered the lives of British nationals

One of his many gaffes, if one can use such a trivial word was his description of Nazanin Zaghri-Ratcliffe as 'teaching journalism' in Iran when all she did was visit her parents on holiday. I understand that until his comment the FO were close to negotiating her release. We know what has happened since.

If he was an incompetent Foreign Secretary, how can anyone imagine he would be a competent Prime Minister?

How much greater is the chance that this oaf will do serious damage to this country if he becomes Prime Minister.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 27-Jun-19 09:56:42

My honest opinion......" we're doomed we're all doomed" (curtesy of Dads Army, which according to the writer of "Victoria" the constant re-runs were responsible for the leave camp winning the referendum????)

Dinahmo Thu 27-Jun-19 09:57:24

M0nica I agree with you completely. One interesting point is that the facts you stated have been mentioned before in different threads over the last couple of weeks but still people ignore them and talk about his charisma and how he'll get the job done. When it comes to Boris Johnson many people live in fantasy land which I don't understand.

Dinahmo Thu 27-Jun-19 11:33:11

M0nica I agree with you completely. One interesting point is that the facts you stated have been mentioned before in different threads over the last couple of weeks but still people ignore them and talk about his charisma and how he'll get the job done. When it comes to Boris Johnson many people live in fantasy land which I don't understand.