Boris says Oz ‘points system’ coming here.

Funny how the Tories keep adopting policies which Nigel Farage, as part of UKIP and now the Brexit party, have been suggesting in their manifestos for years, and now they are pretending that they have made the ideas up themselves!!

That is one of the more sensible policies that Boris has invented on the hoof.
BUT
If he really thinks that will reduce the number of migrants he is deluded because our over liberal appeal and deportation system will render it useless. ( unless they are windrush migrants who have residency but can’t prove it)

My sister has lived in Australia for 40 yrs and the system is far tougher than here put one foot wrong and you’re sent home or to an offshore island for “processing”.
Except for Kiwis who have residency status, but that is another “bone of contention”.

and now the Brexit party, have been suggesting in their manifestos for years,

Ooooh. Has the Brexit Party got a manifesto now?

Can we see it? Have you a link to it?

How long does anyone think BJ will last as PM? So what does it matter what he 'promises'?

MaisieD, surely the Brexit Party is just UKIP rebranded.

So it might be, Blinko, but a) UKIP still exists and b) The BP has no apparent manifesto. Its supporters can't just say that it's the same as UKIP's...

One thing that is interesting is that so much is out in the open now when it comes to discussing policy, etc. I'm not sure Boris has got that yet.

Dinahmo Thu 27-Jun-19 15:20:23
It is a peculiarity, though, as the same thing does happen Australia, that young locals do not want to do the work eg on farms, are lazy, don't listen to the training, don't do the job properly, stay for a day, get a headache and don't bother to turn up the next day!
The workers from overseas, including the British, are generally hardworking and enthusiastic.

Callistemon There's a lesson to be learned there!

Are all scientists highly skilled? Are they more skilled than people who excel in the Arts?

The hospitality sector in Australia struggles the same as here to recruit and retain good staff. My daughter is an executive assistant housekeeper in a busy hotel in the capital, and they can never get enough quality staff as room assistants. Rooms cleaned badly, turning up late or not at all, throwing “sickies”. But as over here, poor pay and hard work, so no surprise no one wants the job.

Dinahmo perhaps it's because those who are prepared to work hard are the ones who are more enterprising and prepared or want to travel too! Those coming here and our young people travelling overseas.

But as over here, poor pay and hard work, so no surprise no one wants the job.
But the minimum wage in Australia is about A$23 per hour, plus holiday, sick pay and pension contributions. I think that is better than in the UK.

Are all scientists highly skilled? Are they more skilled than people who excel in the Arts?
That's not the point, the point is targeting areas where there is a shortage.

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Calendargirl is that localised to Canberra?
I never hear of young people wanting to travel saying 'I must visit Canberra' although I know that there are school trips there and some people do want to visit.

At least you'll keep us Kiwis out !

Re queries from other posters.
I can only speak for Canberra, as I don’t know about hotels elsewhere. Yes, I agree as although it IS the capital it doesn’t seem to be on people’s must visit list.
And casual hotel workers won’t be receiving holiday pay, pension contributions etc. If you don’t turn up you won’t get paid.
At daughter’s hotel, they get sent job centre people, some of whom just don’t want to work, as over here.

And casual hotel workers won’t be receiving holiday pay, pension contributions etc.
I'm surprised - I thought the employment rules were very strict. Certainly my family over there have to pay their casual workers at least the minimum wage plus holiday pay and pension contributions.
I don't think they get paid if they just don't turn up because they have eg drunk too much the night before and 'thrown a sickie'.

I see that they minimum pay is about $19 per hour; I know they have to pay about $25 per hour to attract good workers - even then some of the locals just don't want to work.

ps that is before holiday pay and pension contributions and whatever else the Government charges per worker (is there a Payroll Tax?)

Australia has a payroll system. France now has one - w.e.f.
1 January 2019 - which is one reason why Macron is unpopular and why the gilet jaunes have been on the streets.

The minimum wage - aka living wage in the UK is currently £8.21. Whenever an increase is announced businesses are in uproar saying that they can't afford it. At the same time, people are receiving working family tax credits (I know that the name of the benefit has now changed) which means that the taxpayer is financing the large corporations who pay the minimum wage. So the directors and shareholders of these large organisations, such as supermarkets, coffee chains, online retailers, can pay themselves large bonuses and dividends without eating into their profits by paying a decent wage.

Totally agree with Urmstongran. Why on earth should we take in people irrespective of whether they've paid into the system. How on earth can we keep taking more and more people? The infrastructure won't cope, schools won't cope, the NHS won't cope. We are changing the face of Britain. We don't need immigrants. We need to train people to do the jobs required not import more people. And, is it fair for other countries to train nurses and doctors for example and for them then to emigrate to the UK?

How on earth are we going to force people to work? When we were growing up there were still apprentice schemes and nurses learnt whilst working. Now apprenticeships are fewer and if someone wants to be a Registered Nurse they need a degree although some hospitals have recently started to offer apprenticeships.

Imm6 The NHS will not cope, is not coping now we are losing doctors and nurses. The infrastructure cannot and isn't being built without the skilled labour. Neither are coping with a government who couldn't run a WI let alone a country.

I believe, as do many who use our demographics to plan for the future do, that we need immigration. None of what you say proves otherwise. We are a nation of immigrants.

What do you base your "we don't need immigrants" on? It sounds as if you are not basing this on a single fact. Currently pensioners pay only 11% of the UKs Income Tax revenues. How do you think Pensions can be paid with an aging population? If we leave and there are big problems with the economy what is left to cut - state pensions. Immigrants are usually young with a higher percentage working than the native population.

If you are going to throw around your "don't needs" give those of us you are trying to inflict a far worse standard of living on some facts not just what sounds very like prejudice.

You can take us out of the EU, build a stupid wall if you want but you will not actually be able to stop us having to trade with other countries who will insist on visas for their workers. You will never, in this day and age isolate us without many knock on effects which and you would be the first, I have no doubt, to complain about.

Until our doctors and nurses are paid a decent wage for what they do then more and more will move abroad. It's an insult what they're paid for and what's expected of them, it's an utter disgrace.

Australia pays far more and probably appreciates them more too. Police officers and fire officers are also upping sticks and leaving.

It scares me what we're going to be left with in the future.

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