Is this the face of fascism?

moggie is allowed her viewpoint!
She is not ignorant.

God, some on here would like us to pass an IQ test before we could vote.

Bit like years ago when only landowners or men were allowed a vote.

We all live here.

We are all entitled to a say, in my opinion.

Yes some are more clever than others. More intellectual. But we all have a stake in this country of ours. We love our families and whatever our politics, want what we perceive to be the best for them.

Ummm Whitewavemark2 isn’t your post about the Reighstag rather descriptive of the cabal surrounding Jeremy Corbin?

I say again that the post in question showed a lack of accurate information and awareness.
Therefore I used the word accurately.
It was not used in the context of IQ or intellectual superiority. That was your take on it.
Yes, we are all entitled to our opinion, and in my opinion that post showed a lack of real understanding or knowledge.

Actually the comments made by moggie were ignorant and ill informed and I agree with mcem.

That is frightening too, tidyskatemum - and, of course, they have more MPs than Farage's Brexit Party, who have, how many is it?
None.

Maggie57 has repeated all the cliched rubbish churned out by rags like the Express, all the sneering about health and safety and "getting our fish back". She is entitled to her opinion of course but so am I and I am livid that the future of this country has been decided by voters with such narrow and ill informed views. Oh and it is spelt Merkel.

We're all falling into Farage's trap ie say something outrageous, get everyone talking about it and stay as the centre of attention.

MaizieD- if our Ambassadors remarks had not been made public- The American Ambassador would not have voiced his opinion visa vi Nigel Farage.............it is known as political oneupmanship!!!

Good heavens. If our ambassador's remarks had not been made public it's more than likely that Farage wouldn't have said what he did. The US ambassador isn't the only person who has been astounded by what he said. Most sane Brits are horrified...

You can't say that all 17 million Leave voters have 'narrow and ill informed' views. Just like we can't say that the Remainers are the intelligent ones. It's ridiculous. I don't think many of us really knows about the EU. I have been quite involved with groups trying to help Africa. The way the EU behaves towards Africa is awful. There are so many things going on that we are ignorant about. It's not simplistic. Not all Brexiteers are racist. Not all Remainers are intelligent. African farmers are left clinging to poverty with many thanks to the EU. I don't like being part of that. "The EU’s protectionist attitudes, particularly in food, keeps poor African farmers poor." There's a lot more to the EU than this wonderful shiny thing that so many people believe.

We were all doing fine till that arrogant fool Cameron jumped in.

Would you like tell us more on a new thread ,*Minniemoo*?

For example, where does EBA come in this?

Or is this more deflection from the thread topic?

It's blatantly obvious that these sweeping generalisations are inaccurate, whatever your PoV.
However the accumulation of naivety, prejudice and ignorance has resulted in swinging the balance.

It's like an evenly-balanced seesaw where voters have thought and decided how to proceed and things were fairly even.
Heave a bin bag full of garbage on one end and the result is obvious!

Here is a nice long post for Urmstongran, Moggie and GG13 I hope it is not too long to read right through - I do try to make my posts lively enough not to bore the pants off you.

UGG "we all have a stake in this country of ours."^ That is agreed by all. No-one is deliberately trying to wreck the economy and make us all into a third world country reliant on the generosity of the rich nations to send us parcels of used clothes. But I would argue that this is a bad time to launch ourselves into a shark-infested ocean of other countries competing savagely for trade.

Helping in Africa. We need to influence the EU and their policies from within, as a part of their decision-making processes, not distance ourselves from it. One way to do that is not to elect as one of our representatives a *%@£ like Farage, who stayed away from meetings instead of getting stuck in there for the UK.

GG13 ^"how the flip are we the people meant to assimilate it all?"^ By ignoring the ranting of certain newspapers and listening to those experts who have quietly been assimilating FACTS all their working lives, who can project trends forwards and see ahead logically to the results of decisions made in high emotion. Read ones who also have the ability to explain complicated situations in ways that "we the people" can grasp, and then PAY ATTENTION, as teacher was always saying, while you read.

Moggie ^"not allowed to fish in our own waters...."^ That was to conserve the fish stocks and to leave some fish for others - and there were other nations who were not allowed to use resources to the exclusion of others.

^"why should we bow to germany and the rest of europe.? am fed up with all these european laws. all this health and safety c**p came from europe"^ We don't bow to them any more than people in the north bow to people in the south, or people from Southend bow to people from Bristol. There are representatives from ALL EU countries in the bodies that make decisions, as there are MPs in Westminster from all the towns and counties in the UK. They decide things that the EU does as a whole, in trading etc, and they make recommendations to each country on social issues, environment and so on, who then debate it themselves and pass the laws!

^" it was europe that changed our weights and measure to kg and grams .metre's. what was wrong with pounds and ounces /inches and feet. "^ No it wasn't, it was our parliament, who believed that it would be better to use the same measurements as everyone else in Europe.

Elegran I do read different newspapers, I do watch political programs and I do listen to lots of “experts”.

It is blatantly obvious that they all have their own agenda, the experts are funded by Government or Industry, people/voters get bogged down in only believing what they deem to be the “correct newspaper, media outlets or experts”. This is attributable to both sides of the divide.

I am totally fed up and getting rather cross that the attitude of remain posters is one of “leavers are stupid, selfish, racist and as of late we are facists”

I acknowledge your opinions and respect how you voted........unfortunately on Gransnet I have never seen any acknowledgement or respect from a remain poster to a leave poster!

GrannyGravy13
I acknowledge your opinions and respect how you voted........unfortunately on Gransnet I have never seen any acknowledgement or respect from a remain poster to a leave poster!

I acknowledge that moggie57 has the right to express her opinion that the EU has inflicted damage on this country. However, I cannot respect her opinion since it is based on ignorance. Ignorance can be sweet, we recognize it in young children, but when adults display it we must surely challenge it.

In answer to the original poster's question: 'is this the face of fascism?' My opinion: No.

What this post does represent is the very determined and almost daily effort, by constant repetition on the part of this poster and others, to attach the word, and therefore the ideology, of fascism to those they see as promoting the intention of leaving the European Union.

Well I doubt Moggie will be posting again proud of yourselves are you.

Sorry Maizie, I didn't mean to deflect. I had just seen many comments about the EU and those who voted for Brexit. You are free to do some research of your own about Africa. There's plenty out there. The attitude of those who think they have the moral high ground is too much to cope with whilst in poor health. So I shall bid farewell.

MaizieD are you the new self proclaimed post monitor. Lighten up a bit. Who are you to say who and what we can post on any thread.

It is blatantly obvious that they all have their own agenda, the experts are funded by Government or Industry,

I think you've destroyed your own argument there, GG13. Implying that all experts are corrupted by their funding source is ridiculous. Every facet of our lives is touched by 'experts'. Where on earth would you be if you distrusted every single one of them?

and as of late we are facists”

No-one is saying that you're a fascist. Only that you are supporting fascists.

Say something worth listening to, Firecracker and I might listen to you.

I feel sad for the poster who felt that she had to apologise to you. I'll say it again who are you to say who and what people can post.

mcem, you must have been very selective in the threads you have read on Gransnet, I have seen many ‘rants’ on Gransnet, and some of them, sadly have been just as rude as yours. Moggie is allowed her opinion just as you are allowed yours. To use the words ‘ignorant rant’ about a poster says more about you than it does about moggie.

I should think Firecracker doesn’t give a toss about whether you listen to her or Maizie.

.....to her Maizie.