Is this the face of fascism?

But, Maddy, it is true that Moggie's rant was based on mistaken "facts" . Failing to point those out would be allowing them to stand as the truth.

MaizieD you obviously did not understand my post!!! I shall endeavour to explain it for you.

It is possible to get 3-4 “experts” in the same field together in a room and they would all have a different opinion. It is up to each of us to decide what “expert” we trust or believe.

Why are Remainers so strident ?

No Elegran, because I didn’t say that moggie’s post was fact, I said moggie was allowed to express her opinion. I also said mcem’s post was unnecessarily rude. I stand by what I said. There are ways to disagree without being obnoxious and rude to other posters.

GrannyGravy13 Some experts are more expert than others, because they specialised in that field, or have been in the job longer. Part of deciding which one to believe is evaluating their qualifications for saying what they do. Some people tend to believe the one who shouts loudest, or whose judgment is quoted by the newspaper with the biggest, most sensational headlines.

MaizieD I have never supported facists please check my posts.

I have repeatedly said I am not a fan of Nigel Farage.

I have not been to the USA since Trump has been elected and will not go until he is gone!!

Or is this more deflection from the thread topic?

Ha ha ha. You don' like a meander, do you MaizieD?
Dare I say I say your many attempts to keep posters in line and not deviating at all, sounds very dictatorial.

For what it's worth, have others noticed that 'fascist' a pejorative term, is being used more and more by left wingers? That and the term Nazi. It's an insult to those who vote differently from them.

We need to be careful. Even the most mild mannered disagreement online is now being met with both damning terms from those who think differently.

The far left need to be careful. IMO they are branding people who want different things from them as 'fascists'. Isn't that actually fascism in action - to close down and oppress stuff they don't like?

Elegran That is the point I was making!! Obviously I am posting in a language other than English?

I wasn't arguing, GrannyGravy13, but elaborating on what you said! When there are conflicting opinions, a lot of care is needed in picking out which are valuable and which are a load of hot air, blown about by people who like the sound of their own voices. There are many of those around.

In general and on here!

Elegran Thank you, and I agree with your last post.

Reading the posts on Gransnet on Brexit-related subjects really depresses me. I am a remainer but I do understand where leavers are coming from. I even flirted with the idea of Lexit, not liking the way the EU had treated Greece, in particular, but I decided that 70 years of peace, the fact that we had contributed to all the laws of the Eu and that, basically, Brexit was a right-wing project to make people like Farage and Rees-Mog richer decided me. I have been very interested in studying who did vote leave and why. An interesting article in the LRB suggested that pain united working-class leavers with the Tories of the shires. The working classes of the north have suffered horribly under globalisation and have felt real economic pain. The leavers of the Tory shires, being mostly older, suffer the actual pain of old age as well as nostalgia for a youth that never really existed. See Moggie's cry of pain about all the things she finds hard to deal with. Would the leavers amongst you think of that thesis and let me know if there is any truth.

MaizieD I have never supported facists please check my posts.

I did check your posts.
You said on the EU Elections thread that you were going to vote for the Brexit Party in the EU elections. Its leader (and only member) is Farage. This thread is about a fascist statement that he made a couple of days ago. I don't see how you can say you don't support fascism if you are prepared to vote for a party whose only member and policy maker is a fascist.

Or are you changing your mind about supporting the BP?

Likewise a number of other Leavers on here who also said they were going to support the BP.

Ha ha ha. You don' like a meander, do you MaizieD? grin
Dare I say I say your many attempts to keep posters in line and not deviating at all, sounds very dictatorial.

Say what you like, Day6. Sticks and stones etc. But I find it very interesting that no Leavers are willing to touch the subject of Farage's fascist statement. Save for whingeing about the use of the term. A number of posters have explained what they are basing their judgement of 'fascism' on. Not one Leaver has tried to answer their points. I've checked back. Not one...

MaizieD, thank you for taking such an interest in my posts on other threads.

If you had fully checked, I said that I was voting for the Brexit Party in the EU elections, but would never vote for them in either a General or Local Election.

My vote was purely a protest vote, and hopefully the current batch of MPs at Westminster have realised that for the last 3 years, this country has not been governed in a way acceptable to the majority of the electorate.

Unless the Conservatives manage to sort out the UK"s withdrawal from the EU, they are leaving the door of No.10 wide open to the Brexit Party.........something that I find frankly a very frightening prospect.

I AM NOT A FACIST, and feel insulted by you MaizieD

maddy many of us on GN would admit to posting the occasional rant. The oft-used word describes a rather emotional/ frustrated post and is not a particularly big deal.
If your objection is to the word 'ignorant' I'd say (as several others have too) that the post was based on a lack of any real evidence and was lacking in accuracy and therefore the word was appropriately used.
My posts were calmly written and contained comments relating to the post not the poster.
Why then do you label them as rude?
Clearly I am not alone in thinking this way.

YES INDEED and if there is a prorogation of Parliament you will find me chained and lying at it's doors !! They will have to step over me to leave

I AM NOT A FACIST, and feel insulted by you MaizieD

I haven't said that you are a fascist, GG13. Only that you have supported one. There is a difference.

The BP doesn't know that your vote was a protest. They have been emboldened by the fact that so many people did vote for them. Let's hope that you weren't the only person who intends their protest vote to be the only vote they give to the BP...

GG13
Your not alone. Many of us have been /will be again, insulted.

minniemoo
Like you I'm very aware of what's going on in Africa. And as you can see nobody wants to know as it might sully the eu's image.
It says something when the eu is making more money selling on the coffee that they buy from Africa than the growers. Then there's the flower/food etc growers, all being stuffed by the eu. But I won't elaborate, don't want to burst anyone's bubble.

And as you can see nobody wants to know as it might sully the eu's image.

You know, petra, I distinctly recall asking for more information. I don't think you need to check back far to find it. I always assume that if someone tells you something like 'the EU stuffs Africa' that they are able to back it up with some evidence. Give me some links and I'm happy to read them.

Sorry you can't tell the difference between being a fascist and supporting a fascist either.

MaizieD
I have no intention of putting up a link as you and others would distort the facts to suit your own agenda.
All I do know is, more open minded people than yourself and others on here might be interested enough to read these articles.

mcem, I have sympathy with much of what you say about the post, but that is not really the point. I said it was rude because it was rude. To call someone ignorant or use the phrase ‘ignorant rant’ is rude and I’m sure you are aware of this and would not say that to someone face to face. I certainly wouldn’t, I might express such an opinion in privacy, but not to someone’s face. Normally your posts are calmly written you say, and I don’t believe I’ve ever felt you had been rude before, so really no need on this occasion either.

I’m glad you asked me for clarification, it shows you care and are not normally rude.
We do all lose our cool sometimes.

maddy I did not 'lose my cool' but wrote a logical and accurate comment about a highly inaccurate post.
Had I addressed the poster as an ignorant fool you'd have a point but as I said before I argued that the post was written in ignorance and I stand by that.
Like others I am entitled to criticise or disagree with a post but that is not the same as being rude to the poster.
Reminds me of pupils who objected to being reprimanded by declaring they'd been 'shouted at' when there had been no raised voices.
I believe it's important to use and understand the meaning of words with a degree of precision.

I have no intention of putting up a link as you and others would distort the facts to suit your own agenda.

Such impressive confidence in 'the facts'

Perhaps someone so keen to leap to the defence of Moggie's argument could give us one "fact" in it that is actually true.

The argument has been attacked, not the person. Surely those who seek to tell us in such an angry and unreasonable way that they are ready to use their vote to ruin other people's lives should be able to substantiate the points clearly and factually.