Johnson’s Government

I’d turn that around varian as I think it’s the breathtaking arrogance of Remainers (who lost) and don’t think Brexit (as voted for by a majority remember) - should be enacted.

When will they all put the knives away and work at making this country decent again?

When will they all put the knives away and work at making this country decent again?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us how that can be achieved, Ug? Particularly as the country appears to have lost its decency as a result of the Leave vote.

I wonder how many times the EU has asked themselves this question " If only we had said yes to Cameron with his small demands" ......

Ah yes, ,varian but remainers are dismissed as making things up or not possibly knowing what will happen. I wonder why only the Brexit voters were blessed with the intellect and ability to see the future? This gets more frightening by the day as the Orwellian fantasy trundles on.

Well, Ug, the Eu did say yes to most of his 'small demands'.

Do you know what he was asking for and what they said 'yes' to?

Urmston the more vitriol being flung at you and any other Leave voter on GN means that the strident Remainer group is getting very, very, worried that we may actually be leaving the EU pretty soon and are taking it out here .....
I note the huge difference between your civil posts on this thread, and what they actually post.It’s fear talking!

Thank you lemon I do try to be polite.

I'll take that as a 'no' in answer to my question, then Ug?

Of course we have political cleansing that's what happens every time we have a general election is. That's democracy working.
What is not democratic is MPs being voted in saying they will do one thing then completely doing the opposite or even changing parties mid term.

Remainer Europe Minister Alan Duncan said the Brexit vote was a 'tantrum by the working class', bloody cheek I'm sick of these MPs who think they are better than the so called working classes who pay their wages. He's jumped ship now with Hammond, jumped before they were pushed, Urmstongran was right 'drain the swamp' it certainly needed draining. Now they are trying to bring down Boris before he has even been sworn in, disgusting behaviour by MPs who think they know better than their own constituents who voted them in.

Strange that some put their faith in a proven incompetent liar to deliver the undeliverable fantasy. How people are supposed to “work together at making this country decent again” - means shut up and go away in your book.

Seems like the strident leaver group on here are getting very, very worried that leaving the EU will not deliver the fantasy utopia they believe will be bestowed upon them, hence their clinging to the “we won, you lost, go away, get behind our dream” mantra. Note much evidence of politeness, let alone logic.

No MPs are supposed to represent the people who voted them in and they were voted in on a mandate to deliver Brexit deal or no deal. That's democracy.

Can I put in a word here for those of us who don't belong to any strident groups but are polite, logical reasoning members of no group whatsoever but are certainly "getting very, very, worried that we may actually be leaving the EU pretty soon" and concerned that the leader expected to be at the helm of steering this crippled vessel with its quarrelsome crew and mutineering passengers through storm and tempest, fire and flood has no master's certificate, no detailed navigation plan, a history of falsifying the log book, and has had the lifeboats chopped up and fed into the boiler so as to give a good blaze to show his daring as an iconoclast.

The tragedy is that so many of the crew seem afraid to challenge him in case he won't let them sign up for the rest of the voyage.

I am not at all arrogant Urmston just very very sad and worried about what is to come.

A little more thought would make leaving fanatics ask themselves why so many of us are very very worried about the future? Are we nervous types who are afraid a drop of rain will make us dissolve? We have survived decades of real life in circumstances that were not all filled with silver spoons and bottomless bank accounts. No, we are people with the capacity to THINK AHEAD. We thought ahead before the referendum, we studied reports by experts in their fields, and we came to the conclusion that we would be far better off staying in a successful association and using our influence to keep it successful and fair. Then a whole load of marketing manoeuvering went on with the aim of persuading voters to back the fantasies of a few ambitious would-be political movers and shakers.

We are not just worried about the economic future of our country. We are worried about the morality and probity of our leading citizens, and about the legal morass (swamp?) that allows a vote to stand which has been clearly shown to have been achieved by deviousness and barefaced false claims.

Elegran.....’leaving fanatics’ !
As opposed to ‘remain fanatics’ I suppose.
Actually just as many who voted to leave the EU ‘thought ahead’ too and voted for what we thought would be best for the UK.
You are entirely wrong in your thinking, as many people have come to the conclusion over the years that we would be better out of the EU, not just a handful of Tories and Nigel Farage.
I am amazed at the incivility, patronising tones, and (from some) sheer nastiness on the subject aimed at fellow GNers.

dragonfly, you come across as anything but arrogant. A decent person who is concerned about the future.

This silly name calling serves no purpose at all.

Lemon, you are not one bit amazed are you really?

I really am Less and have been for the last 3 years.
I didn’t imagine that GN would get like this after the referendum. I thought we would ( as a group) have a few grumbles but nothing like it has been.

I should not have used the word "fanatics" because most of the people who advocate leaving are sensible posters, (on other subjects, at least!) but the way they line up behind this vote despite the evidence that it was reached via blatant manipulation of the facts and naked ambition for power by people who have been incompetent or worse in their elected positions as European MPs or municipal offices. What is more, this country has never been ruled by referendum, they are always advisory, and David Cameron had no right, unless it had been decided by a full Parliament, to promise that he would abide by the results of this one.

I personally take exception to being included as uncivil, patronising , and possibly showing sheer nastiness. I have tried to avoid all those attitudes.

I'd be interested to see a few examples of posts which would clarify the difference between robust and 'vitriolic'.
Yes, 'remainers' are putting forward views which are clear, forceful and well-expressed but far from vitriolic.
Meanwhile we read leavers' posts which show a single narrow focus, are pointlessly repetitive and avoid facing up to events as they happen.

Genuine concern for the future of our families or personality-driven bloody-mindedness?
Scraping the barrel when a balanced, courteous and respected poster feels she has to explain that she is afraid rather than arrogant.
Does it matter that those who express genuine concern are caught in the blast when the brexiter aim is simply to shoot down everyone who who isn't supporting the brexit/Farage/BJ fiasco?

Elegran and Mcem your posts help so much.

Agriculture here in this part of north east Scotland is already suffering badly because of Brexit. Fruit lies unpicked and livestock prices have plunged.

My fisher friends on the west coast are desperately worried about what will happen to the trade in shellfish.

We feel ignored and forgotten and wonder why the leavers can't understand how bad it feels to be dragged out of the EU when so many of us - by a clear majority - voted to stay because we did, indeed, forsee some of these problems.

Now we are told that 65% of Tory voters would rather have Brexit no deal than keep the union. That's OK with me, but it doesn't help future rebuilding of a stable union.

And we do know that we won't be any better off when our law oversights are transferred to Boris's Westminster, even where already devolved.

For those of you who so admire Holyrood Tory leader Ruth Davidson, please be aware she has gone very very very quiet of late.

Elegran that is why I said ‘by some’ ( and not you personally) but I still don’t agree with your assertion that leavers blindly followed what certain politicians were saying at the time.Remain politicians were also saying all kinds of crackpot things before the referendum.
Am tired of hearing that referendums are advisory since Parliament decided to go along with it, trigger article 50 and honour the result.They didn’t have to, but they did, that’s the important thing.
Three years on, Parliament has tied itself in knots, but will have to agree to a deal sometime soon.If not, it could be no deal, and Parliament will wish they had agreed May’s deal.

mcem just read all the posts.
Presumably the only ‘balanced, courteous and respected’ posters are those who voted remain?
Urmstongran is unfailingly courteous btw which doesn’t cut her any slack from some.

The bitter irony of news that BJ preparing to enter No 10 later today and has ordered new furniture, alongside the news that Nazarin has been returned from the mental health unit in Iran, where she was allegedly strapped to a bed, back to prison, cannot go unremarked on.

Possibly the very worst example of his ineptitude, and he should hang his head in shame, as should his supporters.

The thought of Patel pronouncing her words without the end g gives me apoplexy, god knows how I’m going cope with the rest of the twaddle emanating from her lips.