Corbyn as caretaker

That would mean that tiny states with small populations would have the same number of votes as Germany.

That's MEPs, so votes in the European Parliament, isn't it, WadesNan? Which isn't at all like our Parliament in that MEPs don't vote on 'party' lines (in other words, not all UK MEPs will vote the same way. MEPs seem to work by groupings of the like minded, not by 'country'. In the European Council of Ministers, which is made up of the chief (or Prime) ministers from each member state all votes have an equal weight and any country, by means of their prime minister's vote, is able to exercise their veto.

So the fact that Germany has more MEPs than the UK is not relevant. The EU is not run by the country which has the most MEPs.

Apologies for poor punctuation in last post I hope it makes sense.

I don't know anybody who thinks the EU is perfect and nearly all my close friends want to remain in the EU, so I think you're wrong, Pantglas.

Maybe that’s why they’re your close friends growstuff!

My friends vary from extreme Brexiters to absolute Remainers and then there are those of us us middle of the roaders trying to find a way out of this debacle!

Grandad- apologies for no reply- I have been out to a magical Buskers festival at our local town till now.

I am sorry too that you feel I have not responded to your post. Too late tonight- but I do feel that I did respond. Your mantra last few months has been 'Conference... and Conference... and Conference again'- and my reply has been many times- yes, we all get that- things have changed massively since, we are in an emergency and we need to KNOW UNEQUIVOCALLY what Corbyn's (McCluskey's) position is on Brexit- before we can support him at all. Apart from his desire for a GE, and be PM- we still have NO idea where he truly stands. That, at this emergency stage- is totally unacceptable.

Just found this thread, Corbyn as caretaker, ha ha ha ha. Nothing else to say.

Matthew Paris does write for The Times- to which I do not subscribe anymore than I do The Sun - but he is very intelligent and can see what is going on very clearly. He has been very critical of both Johnson and ERG, and Corbyn.

Pantglasl, your quote sums up my life as well.

""My friends vary from extreme Brexiters to absolute Remainers and then there are those of us us middle of the roaders trying to find a way out of this debacle""

I too have friends and family on both side and we are all getting along as well as ever. Lively discussions never descend into name calling .

Refreshing and from what I can gather the norm amongst the quiet majority.

There was a poll somewhere, Jeremy Vine mentioned it. I don't recall the stats but it appears that Remainers would refuse to date a Leaver.

Also there were T shirts knocking around "never kissed a Bexiteer' akin to the 'never kissed a Tory' nonsense.

It does seem that the Leavers are calmer, better able to maintain good relationships and above all act like grown ups!

To limit your friendship circle to just those who agree with you is extreme. Rather immature really.

Nobody is talking about limiting their friendship circle. Most of the people I know voted Remain and are horrified at the way things have turned out. They've been friends for rather more than the last 3 years; I think it speaks more about similarity of ideas and beliefs. Which is usually why people are friends in the first place.

Rather immature really.

Just listen to yourself. What a stupid, smug thing to say...

Not stupid nor smug. But we all know many on these threads who have appeared stupid and smug with their endless attacks on those with a different opinion.

Don't we?

And there is honestly no need to do this absurd crossing out on these posts. Keep what you said! Now that can be construed as immature!

Every voter will be different and suggesting all people who voted one way also all form their friendship groups in exactly the same way as one another while those who voted the other way not only, once again, all form their friendship groups in the same way but this way is always and for each group diametrically opposite to the other group and that this makes the group you belong to more grown up.

I have never heard such rot and trivialisation of the whole Brexit debate and I would certainly doubt the ability of anyone suggesting such a thing to show one iota of adult thinking.

If you want to be with everyone who thinks the same as you, or sits on the fence, which I'm sure many do with the more verbose, then you're missing out.

Do you honestly live in a world where everyone is constantly talking about Brexit which a handful of people in here do? It's very seldom mentioned. Except with a roll of the eyes. From all sorts of people, be they wealthy, poor, intelligent, extremely intelligent or just average.

I am surrounded by people of all colours, politics, religions and I'm pleased about it. It opens my eyes to a lot and the extreme Remainer even has his own article in The Guardian which has given me a great insight into the tiny amount of Remainers who just can't seem to accept the result.

Twenty years from now, probably less, this won't be mentioned. The EU, as is, won't exist any more. It's dying

Oh and your attempt at insults to me, Maizie ... water off a duck's back.

I've had far worse.

Then why did you suggest that Brexiteers chose their friends in one way and Leavers in another Minniemoo*? And then leap to the conclusion that your very unproven theory makes Leavers more "grow-up". That was your post not mine MM.

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I didn't. I don't actually think you were involved, GGMK3 Someone had mentioned that all their friends were leavers. And it was suggested that maybe that's why they are friends. I think there are many people who lie about how they voted due to vitriol thrown their way as well.

Then I mentioned the Jeremy Vine show where they were discussing a poll that showed that Remainers were unlikely to date a Brexiter but Brexiters weren't as likely to write the Remainers off.

I do think it's rather immature to say that your politics should dictate your friend circle. And it was never much of an issue before Brexit.

And I do think that all this constant bombardment is indeed immature. Personally. I am allowed an opinion.

I am of the belief, along with many experts, that the EU will not continue as is in the future. It's flawed.

Excellent article in the Guardian. It's rather long but worth a read. It explains much of what we see on threads like this

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/13/brexit-remain-radicalisation-fbpe-peoples-vote

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It's because of my colour, GGMK. By strangers. Just like comments I get in here. By strangers. Yes, I am a 'woman of colour' as I think we're being called these days.

I've had many people telling me to get back to where I'm from. I was born in Crosby.

So say what you like to me. But don't assume I like Farage. That's another mistake remainers make. Not everyone who wants to leave the EU is a fan of Farage!

I actually mentioned people I know because they don't think the EU is perfect, despite having voted for Remain. Yes, we talk about news and current affairs. I don't really do small talk.

Subsequent posts about how diverse their friendship group is and what they talk about is irrelevant, but provided opportunities for some snide remarks (sigh).

Someone had mentioned that all their friends were leavers. And it was suggested that maybe that's why they are friends.

Where was that? I've looked back through the last 2 pages of this thread and can't find that exchange. Perhaps you could detail which posts it was in, minniemoo. Because at the moment I think that you're making it up.

Look a bit harder, Maizie. It's on this page

I'll leave you three to talk amongst yourselves. Good night.

You were making it up. Nothing at all was said about friends being leavers. That's why I couldn't find it. Try reading the exchange again. And reflect on your unevidenced assumption that people were choosing their friends because of their choice in the referendum.

Jura2, in response to your post-@22:28 yesterday (17/08/19) you again state that it is unclear as to what is Jeremy Corbyn's and the Labour Party/Movement position is in regard to Brexit.

In the above, you had asked me in a previous post to outline that position in my view, to which I responded with:-
"Jeremy Corbyn has stated in recent weeks that should the Labour Party win a General Election, then as government, the party would seek to gain better terms for the Brexit withdrawal agreement from the European Union.

In those negotiations, Britain leaving with no deal would be taken off the table, and at the conclusion of those talks whatever the outcome be (either good or bad) would be placed before the British Electorate."

Therefore jura2 in the above, I do not see how the policy could be made any clearer as this country (in all probability) moves into a General Election period. The Labour Movement Delegate Conference is only a few weeks away, and should it not be postponed due to an Election campaign taking place, I believe the above policy will again be re-adopted.

However, do not think that I am criticising you or your stance jura2 as you are always forthright with your thoughts and views towards me which I respect. That is a pleasant change from some on this forum who express criticism of others views while expressing none of their own.