Corbyn as caretaker

Varian : 'Incidently, I think most adults would regard getting names deliberately wrong is puerile in the extreme and reflects badly on those who do it.'

just watched an interview with Nick Ferrari and Dick Braine, new leader of Ukip - about his very deliberate and repeated misuse of the name of the Mayor of London- changing it for the name of a Terrorist bomber

I think that rather than 'not getting it' about JC, the reason these forums are so right wing is the age of the participants

That's very patronising and ageist GagaJo. Perhaps that is your intention>

What exactly IS there to "get about JC"??

We are fully aware he appeals to the young and students and those who don't yet pay bills or the middle classes and academics who support him in name only because it suits their right-on credentials.

Any chance you could point out Corbyn's strengths for us older posters, (who can list his weaknesses very easily) so that we too might 'get him'? What makes him a leader, because he has proved already that he is merely a puppet and malleable figure-head for the present Labour party and it's controllers, hard left Momentum.

We get that all right.

Yes its ageist. However, I'm IN your age bracket.

I'm just pointing out, this view of JC is of the older age range. People who are known to grow more conservative and right wing with age.

The young actively WANT a socialist leader, unlike the older generation. We are the past. They are the future. So they're not paying tax yet. They're sure as hell paying for their education, unlike us who got it for free.

I dunno about your m/c friends, but mine put their politics where their mouth is.

What are Corbyn’s strengths?

Yes, please tell us what it is the older generation do 'not get' about Corbyn please.

You seem to forget that our generation in our youth, perfected the sit-in protest, perfected the camp out protest (CND) and marched for most things we saw, in our youth, as being wrong or unjust. I count myself amongst those protesters.

I believe in the right of peaceful protest. I believe leaving the EU has always been a left-wing cause. I am from a Labour voting family and have always supported the Unions.

However, I do not have any faith in abjectly poor, hypocritical former Eurosceptics like Corbyn. if you and 'the younger generation aren't aware he is and has been manipulated/used by the hard left of British politics (Momentum).

Why this weak man is being put forward as a leader of anything is beyond me. And that's not just a view formed by an 'old' person, it's a view formed by someone politically aware and concerned.

You might also ask the more left-leaning young, so in love with JC, to name a socialist regime which has ever solved all of society's ills.

"abjectly poor" Is he? Do you only vote for the hideously rich then Day 6?

Someone said to me today 'It's Johnson or Corbyn- make up your mind'

is that really the only 2 choices? It makes me so angry that Corbyn waited until we are just on the edge of catastrophy to suddenly come out (and yet still fence sitting)- saying 'it's me or the highway'. I almost feel, as if it was possible - that I have been conned by him almost more than by Johnson and ERG - at least ERG were clear from the start. Fuming- and in despair.

Corbyn should have responded positively to Jo Swinson's call for of a Vote of No Confidence before the summer recess.

It looks as if he is "running it down to the wire" just as Johnson is so that a no-deal brexit cannot be avoided.

varian, Jo Swinton demanded that Jeremy Corbyn put down a motion of No Confidence in the Boris Johnson government on the day that Johnson had been elected as Tory leader and Prime Minister and he was in the process of forming his cabinet.

Had Swinton engaged her brain before she opened her mouth she would have realized that such a motion tabled on that day would have had no chance of being passed by the House of Commons.

We now have a situation were Swinton is refusing to support Corbyn's call to form a very temporary cross-party government on the grounds that she does not wish to see Corbyn in Downing Street.

The above begs the question, what difference does it make who heads such a government if it is only going to be in power for a few weeks so as to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

For more than four years the Liberal Democrats supported the Cameron Tory government in all its austerity measures even to the point of breaking a pledge to its own young supporters on tuition fees. Now once again we witness the Liberal Democrats "running out" on the British people in refusing to support measures to avoid a no-deal Brexit purely on the basis of who would head a temporary government

In the above, all can see once again that Swinton and the Liberal Democrats will always support the Tory Party even when the interests of this whole nation are at stake.

Lib Dems, nothing else but a Tory Party mark two

Corbyn and those who surround him are totally oblivious to the fact Corbyn / Labour is seen as continuing the fence sitting / flip flopping that they have been doing for 3 years.

Why should Corbyn become Leader?

The answer is if a Party of Unity is formed the largest party would under normal circumstances be the head / take the lead. Apart from that principle what else is there for him to be Leader?

If the other parties do not agree with Corbyn/Labour's position, if they don't know what he actually stands for because he says one thing on one hand and another thing on the other how could they follow his lead?

It's about a VONC in Boris to stop a no deal if parties don't get behind this for instance LIbDems there will be a no deal Brexit simple

Grandad

" In the above, all can see once again that Swinton and the Liberal Democrats will always support the Tory Party even when the interests of this whole nation are at stake.

Lib Dems, nothing else but a Tory Party mark two."
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I will have a pop at the Lib Dems but for goodness sake the Lib Dems have from day one NOT supported the Conservatives over the Refendum Result. They have vociferously fought to upset the Conservative Party at every turn.

Well at the risk of having you all jump down my throats I would rather JC than Boris. I think its a perfectly good idea. Vote of no Confidence, JC caretaker PM, Brexit delayed (forever?) GE and referendum. JC being a caretaker pm doesn't mean he will be the future PM that will be decided in a GE. and JC couldn't be any worse than then boorish Boris.

Corbin has stated that a cross-party supported government would carry out just two primary functions.

The first function would be to gain agreement with the European Commission to further extend article fifty and in that avoid a no-deal Brexit

The second function would be to call a General election.

It would be as simple and straight forward as the above. Should Corbyn or that temporary administration try to stay in office beyond that or carry out more than that, then a motion of no confidence would remove it in the same way as this Tory shambles of a government was removed.

Grandad

"The first function would be to gain agreement with the European Commission to further extend article fifty and in that avoid a no-deal Brexit"

The second function would be to call a General election.

It would be as simple and straight forward as the above. Should Corbyn or that temporary administration try to stay in office beyond that or carry out more than that, then a motion of no confidence would remove it in the same way as this Tory shambles of a government was removed."
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The Lib Dems /Greens do not want an extention to Article 50. They want a Refendum but preferably NO Brexit.

So why would the follow Corbyn?

Of course they want a General Election, Corbyn/Labour have obstructed the possibility of a Withdrawal Agreement because a General Election has been ' the goal' all along.

How many votes of No Confidence can the public expect to witness if Corbyn doesn't do as proposed. W

What happens to the day to day running of the country whilst the so called Party of Unity has gained it's coup against the government?

Which Party is in control of decision making for the country if not the largest party and what happens when nobody agrees?

Grandad I think you know very well that the leader of the Liberal Democrats is Jo Swinson, not Jo Swinton. So please get her name right. It's not that difficult.

As for comrade Corbyn. He has been a huge disappointment to so many in the Labour Party and beyond.

He claimed to have voted Remain, in line with the vast majority of Labour MPs, Labour Party members and Labour voters and yet he has consistently failed to do anything at all to stop brexit., unlike Jo Swinson and all the Liberal Democrats who have resisted the nonsense that is brexit ever since the fraudulent referendum of 2016.

The Lib Dems /Greens do not want an extention to Article 50. They want a Refendum but preferably NO Brexit.

Of course they'll support an extension to A50. Why wouldn't they? By September there will be barely any time to organise a referendum or a GE.

What happens to the day to day running of the country whilst the so called Party of Unity has gained it's coup against the government?

The country is able to run 'day to day' without a government. The civil service can tick it over.

It will have to do it anyway in the run up to Oct 31st if Johnson isn't stopped as he has no intention of putting any bills before Parliament which could possibly be amended to allow Parliament to take control.

It won't be us who decides. I would rather it was not a leader of any of the opposition parties for the few weeks it will take. It just needs to be someone who all those MPs who do not want a no-deal Brexit can get behind. If anyone loses the chance by standing on their dignity they will not be forgiven. Equally I do think Corbyn had to stand up and be counted first to get the whole thing going.

The aim of Remainers (majority of UK citizens who want to remain in the EU) is to Revoke Article 50 and thereby kill off brexit so we remain in the EU.

For us the big compromise would be a second referendum as we are all well aware how the fraudulent referendum of 2017 was won by foriegn interference, lies and cheating and of course the same malign forces (Arron Banks et al) would step up their activities the next time round.

So I, personally, would support an interim government led by Corbyn or anyone else who promised to Revoke Article 50.

If the European Comision agrees to an extension of Article fifty while a Geneal Election is organised then that the desition should take no more than two weeks, probably less.

Parliament is prorogued while that election is conducted with the Temperary government in a caretaker role during that period. The foregoing is no different to present long-standing practice.

I am a person who believes that the result of the referendum should be upheld. However, I am totally against Britain leaving the EU on a no-deal basis, for that way would be total economic disaster for the United Kingdom.

A General Election is the only way forward out of the largest political and constitutional crisis this nation faced in more than seventy-five years.

It should be remembered that a cross-party National Unity Government seen Britain through five years of enormous crisis beginning in 1940.

As much as I am not in favour of a second referendum, I feel that after three years of “numpty politics” it may bring the situation to a conclusion one way or another.

Varian, I think it will take every MP who doesn't want a no deal to turn this around. Now is the time for a level of compromise from all and woe beside those who don't.

I agree with you GracesGranMK3. We have to pull out all the stops to finish this brexit nonsense for once and for all.

That wasn't quite what I said Varian. The first step is to stop a no-deal Brexit. To do that those who want to remain and those who would accept a "leave" with a deal will have to work together. Then we have a chance of working out a deal that can, with no-deal and remain, be put to the country. I think we will still have some way to go before we finish.

Thank you not-so Barmeyoldbat . Couldn't agree more.