So he’s done it?

We were shocked when we heard this this morning. We couldn't believe things had gone this far but then we thought about it and were not so surprised.

The Queen traditionally just rubber stamps these things so I suspect BJ is banking on her doing it this time round. I hope she won't.

If we have failed to sort this out in 3 years the only sensible thing is to show us the options and ask us to vote again. I want to remain but think that democracy demands we ask the electorate.

It doesn’t make for a very stable country if your choice is to suppress the voters voice.

Prerogation has only been used once apart from a few days before the QS. That was by Attlee trying to get the NHS through the resistance of the HoL. Before that you would have to go back to the nineteenth century.

This is unprecedented - the question is who is sovereign. The people in parliament ( the legislature) or the government. I would go with the people every day if the week , the alternative doesn’t bear thinking about.

Please sign this petition

petition.parliament.uk/signatures/72312421/signed

Of course BJ's excuse is that he's preparing for QS...yeah...

'Dissolving Parliament is what all their plotting has led us to.' yet again lemongrove et al are blaming everyone but themselves....

There need to be three members of the Privy Council growing to see the Queen to advise her about the prolongation.

There has been an order put into the courts. There was a 6 September date in court were 70 MPs, peers and other were going to try an block the prorogation of parliament. The people behind that have "enrolled a motion for interim orders" which could prevent the planned prorogation until it has been heard in court.

Thanks varian; I couldn't post the link. Was 16,000 this morning !

Keep signing- and keep sharing - please. OH actually signed, now that is a first for him.

Signed. This is outrageous and undemocratic. This is why they were all allowed to go in their summer jollies. The whole lot are useless.

Signed - but why the hell should we have to petition a small section of the Tory party to behave in a democratic way??

Signed

Signed.

I think it would be wrong to think that the Queen ever "rubber stamps" anything. She will have a team of lawyers to advise her and the Government is also advising her. The Queen's decision cannot be challenged in court but the government's advice to prorogue can be. The Queen may/should have been advised that this is being taken to court. This is just my opinion, but she could advise that they wait for the outcome of that. I think that, if they still wanted to go ahead she would have to sign.

BJ's proposal is unquestionably undemocratic.

Some progress might be made if Corbyn were willing to put aside his personal ambition and talk with other parties and Tory rebels about how a coalition might be formed with the aim of upholding democracy and the importance of parliamentary freedom.

At present MPs are faced with Johnson or Corbyn, which is not what is needed.

I also fond the labelling of people as either remainers or leavers distinctly unhelpful. The only way forward is to listen to people with whom you disagree and find out what has motivated them. For instance, I can entirely understand why those reliant on the fishing industry might have voted to leave.

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MP’s have had more than 3 years to ‘sort it’ (^critics saying it would stop MPs being able to play their democratic part in the Brexit process.^)

Time to get it done now and move on to the next stage of negotiations.

Well done team Boris I say!

I don't see how trying to understand why people voted for Brexit when they hadn't a clue what they were voting for (beyond a vague 'we want out') really helps us get out of this utterly undemocractic shambles.

That petition runs for 6 months. I can't see it being very effective.

We all know people voted leave for a myriad of reasons including want to keep our plugs and disliking Nigerians. Just heard an inarticulate leave voter on the radio complaining that the EU forced us to have warnings of cookies popping up on our computer and he didn’t like them. Another one saying they stopped winegrowers trampling grapes with their feet. Pretty clear why sometimes people shouldn’t be given vague choices.

Brexit hasn't happened because it made promises that it was unable to fulfil because no one bothered to think about Ireland or Gibraltar etc If people/politicians who supported remain have been in any way responsible it is only because they have pointed out these issues right from the start. And can I, once again ask you, Urmstongran, what the solution to the Irish problem is. But I suppose you'll say it's up to parliament. Except soon, the way things are going, there isn't going to be one....

You know it doesn't actually have to run for 6 months?

But you're right - if this lot of idiots at No 10 don't respect Parliament I can't see them respecting the will of thousands of citizens.

I’m with you Urm. Go for it Boris.

Many of us, including me, knew what we were voting for 3 years ago. We voted to leave now let’s do it.

I bet the D of E is annoyed that the Queen is being disturbed on her hols.

Luckygirl, what is it you want Jeremy Corbyn to do?

My first thought upon hearing this news was that I hope my beloved daughter and Grandchildren move back to New Zealand. I am ashamed of my country.

They usually debate when/if it hits 100 thousand. Which this has. But that can be any time within the 6 months. And they can also refuse. I would say it's doubtful they will be acting on any petitions at the moment