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MawB Wed 28-Aug-19 09:31:48

The end of hopes of stopping a no deal Brexit?
Just announced.
The Queen will be asked by the government to suspend Parliament days after MPs return to work - and a matter of weeks before the Brexit deadline.
The BBC's political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, says it will make way for Boris Johnson's new administration to hold a Queen's Speech - laying out the government's future plans - on 14 October
But it means MPs are unlikely to have time to pass any laws that could stop the prime minister taking the UK out of the EU without a deal on 31 October.
A No 10 source said: "It's time a new government and new PM set out a plan for the country after we leave the EU
The idea of shutting down Parliament - known as prorogation - has caused controversy, with critics saying it would stop MPs being able to play their democratic part in the Brexit process.

AllTheLs Wed 28-Aug-19 13:43:58

This is fantastic news.

That's stopped the very undemocratic Parliament in its tracks - for now

123coco Wed 28-Aug-19 13:44:34

LadyGracie. Sad person. Wanting an autocracy. No wonder the country is a laughing stock. Bet you voted for him as well !!

Daisymae Wed 28-Aug-19 13:44:56

I propose that MPs are unpaid for the suspension. They would soon move forward.

SirChenjin Wed 28-Aug-19 13:47:07

I agree Minnie - after all, they have no respect for parliamentary democracy, so a petition will hold no sway for these arrogant people. However, it will give an indication of just how many people despise them and their actions.

Nan - did you vote for Boris et al to behave in this way?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 28-Aug-19 13:48:16

I have my tin hat on but here goes anyway.............Has anyone considered that the prorogued parliament is in fact a signal to the EU that the UK is serious about leaving the EU deal or no deal.

Pussyfooting around for three years has resulted in a disastrous WDA, which was unable to get through parliament on three occasions.

Hopefully this will concentrate their minds to come up with some compromises on the WDA, basically "a who blinks first" situation.

(James Major prorogued parliament to prevent a debate on the sleazy "cash for questions" debacle)

Urmstongran Wed 28-Aug-19 13:48:35

No Whitewavemark2 you are wrong: Prerogation (sic) has only been used once apart from a few days before the QS. That was by Attlee trying to get the NHS through the resistance of the HoL. Before that you would have to go back to the nineteenth century.

John Major prorogued Parliament without much outrage.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 28-Aug-19 13:50:48

Sorry Urmstongran, crossed posts.

Gonegirl Wed 28-Aug-19 13:52:11

I think that could be part of it Grannygravy.

Gonegirl Wed 28-Aug-19 13:52:53

I so agree with Daisymae!

123coco Wed 28-Aug-19 13:53:06

varian. I’m not signing it not because it’s what I want to happen because I think it’s all the cunning plan of Dominic Cummings to get the MPs to vote for BJ bill which will be basically Mays bill with a bit of tweaking to the backstop and then if they resist hell just blame them for it , everybody is playing into his hands with all the outrage ( it is v outrageous though) Itwill be exactly what Dominic Cummings likes . They should’ve called his bluff on the no. Brexit . there is no way he would want to go down in history as that !! Afraid the ordinary people who voted leave are going to have to feel the full force of what is going to impact on them personally before they wake up .

Gonegirl Wed 28-Aug-19 13:55:15

It's never been prorogued for 24 days though, has it? grin

It's ridiculous. I don't believe for one moment he will get away with it.

varian Wed 28-Aug-19 13:55:27

226,581 signatures on the petition now.

Only 100,000 needed for it to be debated.

SirChenjin Wed 28-Aug-19 13:55:29

Without much outrage

Yes there was - what are you talking about?! Granted, not on this scale, but this transcends anything we've seen in decades, and not in a good way.

Urmstongran Wed 28-Aug-19 13:57:14

I thought along exactly the same lines as you GG13

Is it ‘great minds think alike’?

The Remainers on here (the majority by far!) would say ‘fools seldom differ’.

I thought I’d get it in first.?

And 123coco so quick with a personal insult name & shame! LadyGracie just happens (as do a minority on here) to have a different viewpoint to you.

Not ‘sad’ at all.

It’s allowed.

123coco Wed 28-Aug-19 13:58:30

Please everyone try and understand that Boris Johnson in cahoots with Dominic Cummings is doing exactly what they planned. To get everybody so riled up about a no deal Brexit that they will manage to get anything he comes up with through Parliament . Because the MPs don’t vote for it he will put the blame for an no deal Brexit bBrexit squarely on them !! He’s evil, and a serial liar . Very Trumpesque sadly .

Gonegirl Wed 28-Aug-19 13:59:04

Is it ‘great minds think alike’?

No. It's what they're saying on the radio.

Jabberwok Wed 28-Aug-19 14:00:20

Hypocritical John Major prorogued parliament in 1997! for just on three weeks to suppress the cash for questions report being disclosed just before a GE, in order that the report came out afterwards!
MP's only have themselves to blame for this state of affairs. If they really can't sort out brexit in three years,then someone is obviously going to have to. The thought of yet another date with the accompanying faffing, arguing, back stabbing by these deeply stupid people, is probably more than most of us can put up with! Just get on with it!!

varian Wed 28-Aug-19 14:02:53

Johnson is going to Balmoral to ask Her Majesty to prorogue parliament.

I hope she puts on her best blue hat and tells him NO.

Lessismore Wed 28-Aug-19 14:04:39

I feel sorry for the Queen.

SirChenjin Wed 28-Aug-19 14:05:21

Is HM allowed to do that in Scotland while the Scottish courts are considering the case?

Minniemoo Wed 28-Aug-19 14:08:04

I think Jacob is going to Balmoral

No idea what the Queen will say.

I'd have thought she'd have to accept seeing as the Government is 'her' Government.

No idea.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Aug-19 14:10:52

ug no I think you are muddled.

Parliament has not been prorogued by a government in order to circumvent parliamentary opposition to government policy since 1948, when parliament was prorogued following the Lords opposition.

This has never happened since nor before throughout the past 100 years.

What Johnson is doing is totally unprecedented and amounts to a coup by an unelected prime minister who has not yet sat a day in parliament nor passed a single piece of legislature.

And you call that democratic?!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Aug-19 14:12:09

What Major did was rather pathetically try to avoid cash for questions criticism.

Urmstongran Wed 28-Aug-19 14:14:48

You couldn't make this up. If this was the plot of a novel, it'd be laughed at.

What've we got? A vast majority of constituencies who voted leave. A Parliament refusing to obey the wishes and result of a democratic process. A Speaker who is supposed to be impartial, but doing his very best to stop Brexit, by any means. A vast majority of MPs who are trying to stop Brexit happening, whilst pretending to want to just delay it because "the deal's not right", even though it's against their constituents' wishes and even though they signed off Article 50.

And now they're all howling because Boris is calling their bluff and actually trying to thwart their devious plans and deliver DEMOCRACY.

What HYPOCRITES. What DISHONESTY.

I only hope that when the smoke clears, and we're out of the EU, people remember these traitors at future elections. Yes, I'm afraid there's no other name for people who actively try to undermine the country at times like this.S

GrannyGravy13 Wed 28-Aug-19 14:19:13

Doesn't Parliament shut down during "Conference Season" and also the week before the Queens Speech every year?