NO DEAL is the only way. The EU 'wrote' the WA Agreement.

I agree humptydumpty. I would like to see Article 50 revoked, followed by a general election and a period of several years where the new government was able to concentrate on all the things that have been neglected during the last three and a bit years because of the brexit nonsense.

Of course, I would not expect Farage and co to stop peddling their lies, but I think there should be a well funded public information campaign to enlighten folk who only read the right-wing tabloids.

At some time there may be the need to have a secong referendum to knock the brexit nonsense on the head, but it should only happen when voters are in possesion of the facts.

form a cross-party committee of MPs and other stakeholders to start again

In principle that sounds fine humptydumpty but why do I get the feeling that that committee will just repeat what has gone before in Parliament? More time consuming debate and disagreement.

Only when we leave with no deal will we be able to correct any miscalculations and discrepancies. It will be in the EU's interests to sort out the NI border dispute, in agreement with the UK.

All that is being achieved at the moment is limbo, a no man's land in which businesses suffer and people become extremely annoyed by parliament and Remainer MPs' desire to stop Brexit.

I would not expect Farage and co to stop peddling their lies

The Brexit Party makes no bones about wanting to take us out of the EU.

It believes the WA is unacceptable, and so do MPs. No lies there. (So why the delay when they know the EU WONT negotiate?)

His only policy is the UK exit from the EU (no cover-up or deception) and that is what the people voted for.

This is a threat to every party, and I am glad he is waiting in the wings.

Deny medicines to leave voters, that’s an interesting concept but flawed. Not many leavers are going to admit to voting that way, when it in their interest not to.

I’ve had an enjoyable morning with friends, mostly leavers complaining about the current Boris/Brexit mess, reminding them it was all their fault for voting leave. LOL

Davidhs

I find it barely believable that you claim that denying medicines to leave voters is ‘an interesting concept but flawed,’ as if it is actually a reasonable suggestion. Which dictatorship would you prefer us to model ourselves on?

You are making an outrageous suggestion, absolutely outrageous, as if it is a viable suggestion. Unbelievable!

maddyone the suggestion/idea came from jura2!!

And it’s not all the fault of leavers, what’s going on now is the fault of Parliament.

Thanks for that Granny, I know that, but David’s post clearly implies that it would be viable and acceptable if only people wouldn’t lie about what they voted. This attitude makes me extremely annoyed because it victimises people such as my 91 year old mother, who Jura and David clearly believe should be denied her medication. It’s nothing short of a warped mind that would have us live in a society where only the ‘correct’ political views are acceptable.

The media are widely reporting that one in three British manufacturing companies are now in the process of relocating to European Union member state countries, or in advanced planning stages of the same.

The finance industry is also in the same process with the staggering amount of eight hundred Billion pound being moved at the time of the last fiscal year-end.

Further to the above seventy five billion has been moved by the insurance industry in the last few weeks with more insurance finance to follow.

Perhaps the greatest threat to Britain is where these large manufacturing companies relocate to their suppliers are also following to maintain their links to these customers and ensure their own commercial survival.

Many hundreds of thousands of jobs are tied up in the United Kingdoms manufacturing industries and in the supply to those companies.

The tax take from the finance industry to the British government will be greatly reduced impacting on the nations ability to fund such things as education, welfare and state pensions.

However, not one leading brexiteer ever comments on this ever-growing situation, and leave supporters on forums such as this also refuse to make any remark. Instead, they continue to believe in some Brexit utopia despite all the mounting evidence. They stay with fingers in ears and heads in the sand.

How rediculas and stupid can it get

Media links to above:-
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey

www.independent.ie/world-news/nearly-800-billion-of-assets-moved-to-europe-due-to-brexit-uncertainty-37688158.html

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-02/great-brexit-insurance-migration-shifts-75-billion-from-london

If you cut through all the chattering one thing remains:
The country voted to leave the EU
They did not vote to 'leave with a deal' and most want us to get out on 31st Oct.

Boris is fighting to honour democracy for the people while most of the MPs (and other remainers) are going against the will of the people.

Boris has certainly shaken things up, is brave and has no fear, unlike May. He has the people on his side and the MPs against him so may well in time go down as a 'people's hero'.

Patients whose lives depend on EU medicine start ‘death by Brexit’ campaign

metro.co.uk/2019/09/07/patients-whose-lives-depend-eu-medicine-start-death-brexit-campaign-10701834/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

I doubt very much whether Johnson will ever be considered a "people's hero".

Chestnut, so, from your above post @-14:53 today we can take it that you care nothing for the Jobs that will be lost as the manufacturing industry and it's suppliers relocate to European Union member states due to Brexit.

You care nothing for the lives that will be ruined, families that will not be able to pay their mortgages or rents and may well face a very uncertain future.

You care nothing for the tax loss to the British exchequer as companies relocate to European Union member states which will in all probability lead to even more austerity. In that, we will undoubtedly witness further cuts to education, the Health Services, welfare and pensions.

Therefore, can you inform this forum Chestnut ( or any other forum member) when we can expect to receive whatever benefits this Brexit will bring to this nation, and what those great benefits will be?

Please, be forthcoming.

Project Fear in full flow! We don't know any of these things will happen. They warned us of the most dire consequences unless we joined the euro but it was all nonsense and thank goodness we didn't.

What about Ireland, Chestnut?

In the future, I can guarantee that a question will appear on exam papers such as "Explain how democracy was shown to be a flawed concept during the Brexit crisis", Johnson is a bit player, who played at politics for his own gain, in the whole sorry saga - nothing more.

First you need to explain why we should have listened to all the 'experts' who said we should have joined the euro or it would be disaster for us. The same people who now tell us it will be a disaster if we have a no deal Brexit.

What about Ireland, Chestnut? How would you solve that?

Chestnut, Quote [Project Fear in full flow! We don't know any of these things will happen. They warned us of the most dire consequences unless we joined the euro but it was all nonsense and thank goodness we didn't.] End Quote.

Chestnut, we do know that these things will happen because they are now already happening.

Link from my above post @-14:31 today:-

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey

www.independent.ie/world-news/nearly-800-billion-of-assets-moved-to-europe-due-to-brexit-uncertainty-37688158.html

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-02/great-brexit-insurance-migration-shifts-75-billion-from-london

But of course leave supporters never wish to see the huge amount of evidence that is now to be witnessed, do they?

The country did not vote to leave. Barely a third did. Those most affected had no vote. Vote leave broke electoral law. Many leave voters have changed their minds now they know more.

Maddyone. Sorry I got you all riled up I wasn't serious about the medicine and I don’t think Jura was either.

However it was the fault of the leave voters for all this mess we are in now. I will continue to remind those misguided voters that thought a cherry picking deal, Canada plus plus plus and no migrants was going to be easy.
Although I don’t like EU much I believe it is in the interest of the country to stay in and fight for reform within, because I was sure the EU would not grant a better deal than its existing members got.
That is exactly the situation we are in, heaven knows what we will end up with but it won’t be better than remaining.

They did not vote to 'leave with a deal'

Of all the vacuous statements made by Leavers this one really has to take pride of place.

How the bl**dy hell did they expect 'leaving' to happen?

graycat....there are many MORE Leavers now than the 17.4 million in 2016. Fact! I personally know many people who have since changed their minds and told me they would vote to Leave now. However you only have my word for this. In the past 3 years they have seen for themselves the rise of anti EU feelings and protests in European countries. Italy, France, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Portugal and more. I know two Slovakians currently here in a house I let who loathe the EU and tell me most of their country does too. Italy has been forced into debt by the EU as was Greece.

3 years ago the EU publicly stated there would be no EU Army. It is now 2/3rds formed.

Have you heard of the Lisbon Treaty? If not please research as it kicks in next year and our armed forces will be completely subjugated to the EU. In other words if the EU want a war with, say Russia, we will HAVE to comply.

Chestnut, well said.

graycat you are so right, but none of these facts are ever presented to the readers of the downmarket rightwing tabloids like the Daily Express, Sun and Daily Mail who just keep harping on that 17.4m people voted leave and so the MPs must do as they are instructed.

This argument was always threadbare, especially after the fraudulent referendum was exposed as an utter corruption of our democracy by foreign billionaires who certainly never had the best interests of our country at heart.

Now after more than three years it is totally discredited, yet they keep repeating it because there is no other argument for this brexit nonsense.