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Do we understand what a “No Deal” actually means ?

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Realgranddad Fri 06-Sep-19 10:01:03

We are close to the most important decisions of our lives. Ones that will affect the quality of lives of generations to come, our grandchildren and family quality of life and possibly their economic future.
17 millions of us voted for a Brexit Deal, a small major of 2%. At the referendum we were told an easy transition would be possible. We were all badly mislead by deception throughout
the campaign by both sides. None of us voted for what has been described as an extreme dangerous “No deal” that would put lives & jobs at risk.
I never voted for a No deal, in fact I did not consider it or even know what it meant.

For me today the important question is : Do we understand what a no deal actually means? The possible shortages of essential medications manufactured
P in the EU and lives being put at risks, jobs, economy, food prices increases have all been mentioned. What is the truth, is it worth taking the risks, what if any are the benefits? Your considered views please, having lived through the horrors of war shortages I don’t desire to put my 12 grandchildren at risk.

Urmstongran Fri 06-Sep-19 21:53:44

Boris on tv tonight thinks he ‘can get a deal’.

Speculation is this:

.... what if Boris decided to accept the Northern Ireland-only backstop - which Mrs May rejected and has been gathering dust in Michel Barnier’s bottom drawer since last November?

The EU are clear they would do this, a lot of Northern Irish business and civil society groups could live with it, and since the Withdrawal Agreement text was being re-opened to insert the old backstop, the EU could also insert some sweeteners to sell the idea to an exhausted Parliament and allow Boris to say he’s ‘changed the deal.’

There could be expanded language, for example, on consent to address democratic deficit issues raised by an NI-only backstop, alongside firming up the idea (already expressed in the Strasbourg declaration) that the backstop will fall away piecemeal as different areas were resolved.

The DUP would scream blue murder, of course, but it would enable them to avoid a ‘no deal’, which would be disastrous for them, whatever the official party line.

Indeed Boris - who has already suggested an all-Ireland regulatory ‘SPS’ regime for food product – ‘British people but with Irish cows’ as he put it – has already hinted that the ultimate solution might lie in that direction ....

Clearly, this would be a huge climbdown from the UK side which is currently saying that any NI-only elements must be with DUP consent, but - well, desperate times might call for desperate measures!

Any thoughts?

Dinahmo Fri 06-Sep-19 22:04:41

Given Johnson's performance over the last few days he's incapable of negotiating anything at the moment. Incoherent, forgetful...need I go on?

lemongrove Fri 06-Sep-19 22:08:20

Urmstongran ....I shall try and get my head around that after tea and toast and some tv.?

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sep-19 22:32:36

Urmstongran, in regard to your post @-21:53 today, I feel that the problem for Boris Johnson would be that the hard right of the Tory party would never accept such a climb down. Indeed the ERG group have stated that they will never accept the May withdrawal agreement even if the backstop is completely removed.

Therefore Johnson would have to gain the support of all the opposition parties in the House of Commons to have any chance of the deal being accepted in the face of opposition from within his own party and the UPD.

There is also the problem that the Conservative Party Conference is due to begin on 29th of September which would without a doubt give Johnson "one hell of a reception" if such a deal has been brought forward.

A further problem could be that Parliament would have to ratify such a deal, which is a Parliament that Johnson has suspended from next week.

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sep-19 22:34:20

Apologies should be UDP in my above post, not UPD.

Urmstongran Fri 06-Sep-19 22:41:47

Well he said tonight on tv, quite confidently, he’ll be bringing a deal back by mid October.

Something has to shift...

Joelsnan Fri 06-Sep-19 22:57:30

growstuff
You are at it again. Am I touching a nerve with facts?
If you can’t debate there are plenty of word games on here.

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sep-19 23:07:14

Urmstongran Quote [Well he said tonight on tv, quite confidently, he’ll be bringing a deal back by mid-October.
Something has to shift.] End Quote

I feel that if matters do not rapidly improve by mid-October the Tories could well be looking for ways to preserve the party.

Therefore they may feel the thing that has to be shifted is Boris Johnson.

growstuff Fri 06-Sep-19 23:22:39

I'm at what again? I do deal with facts.

Do you enjoy being patronising? Does it make you feel good?

growstuff Fri 06-Sep-19 23:24:55

I deal with facts not silly nonsense.