Gina Miller case thrown out bet that's wiped the smile off her smug face.

lemon - really? everything I've heard on the subject in the last few days from the EU and DC (remember the negotiations being a 'sham'?) has suggested that no attempt to negotiate has been made by BJ, so what difference does it make?

The real negotiating hasn’t started yet, but now there will be no point doing it anyway.We will either have to accept the deal already there, or a slight tweak if we’re lucky.
MPs will no doubt not accept it yet again.

Well I’m just thoroughly fed up with the whole shebang of them. I think they have forgotten that we had a referendum and what the result was.
Regardless of how we voted it must be honoured. I feel a great majority of our elected politicians are really only concerned with their own positions, and not that of the country. I am disgusted that they are unable to come together over this. Don’t know if I will ever use my vote for anyone again.

That sort of puerile thread heading does nothing to encourage sensible debate, which is what this country sorely needs just now.

Diffryn Older people have the opportunity to try to return civility to our public discourse. It is a sad so many do not want to. Then they complain about their chidren and grandchildren's generation, who clearly learnt incivility at their complainers knee.

Luckygirl we have had years of sensible debate, years and years, it hasn’t got us anywhere.
Nor will threads on GN or any forum, but it allows a bit of venting from both sides of the fence.

Lemongrove agree with you, we could all post until the cows come home won't make a slight bit of difference, the government won't honour the Referendum result so I'm sure nothing anyone posts on here will alter anything, even from some of the pompous remainer posters who think they are oh so superior lol.

Anyway I'm still pleased Gina Miller lost the court case and it's put a smile on mine face and plenty of others in the real world. ☺

More people in the UK may well want to leave ( or prefer) to leave with a deal than leaving without one, but the point is, surely that The EU won’t give us a better one than the one already on the table, and Parliament will not agree to that!

That is going to feel very short-sighted in time to come if we get dragged down the falsely named no-deal route. If we come out without an agreement (which is all it actually is) we will still have to negotiate one subsiquently. There is every chance it will take longer. The EU will want what they want now and will take as long as it takes to get it. We will be in no position to complain about having thrown away all the cards we currently hold.

Leaving without an agreement is a bit like flouncing out of Gransnet. You might, for a split second, feel you have the upper hand but should you wish to be part of GN or the EU you will find you are back exactly where you were. It never pays to flounce but it appears to be what some want Parliament to do.

What exactly don't you like about the deal on the table? The backstop? That would go if we agree to a customs union and the single market. If we don't agree to those anything else will be worse. If we do agree it doesn't stop us changing our minds in the future. Many a nose seems to be being cut off to spite the face.

I'm sure punctuation is allowed in thread titles. It just seems so amateurish without correct punctuation.

Every time we get any where near leaving the EU someone dreams up another way of stopping it. Democracy what democracy

People are having their opinions/ pre-conceptions reinforced and not seeing the opposite view

Indeed GrandmaKT

Leavers are in short supply on the political threads and I can understand why. It would be easy to assume Remainers are the only one with arguments if the GN message board was the only point of reference. I enjoy reading lots of left and right wing sources.

There are many of them crowing that Gina Miller has been stopped, and to be honest, I am not surprised. She appeals to Remainers (and frequently to courts!) but her arrogance in trying to stop Brexit is breathtaking and on a par with some MPs in the Commons.

She can afford to pursue her political whims through the courts. How nice for her that must be.

65.000.000 people in the country and 17,000,000 decide their fate and that’s democracy ?
I think Gina Millar is a highly intelligent lady and feel this thread is as unpleasant as I would expect from people who are so hellbent on ruining the country for decades

The EU will want what they want now

Yup.

Our fishing waters, our troops, our courts, our billions......

Why on earth would any country give those away??? And pay billions to Brussels for the privilege too?

Gina Miller wants that. No wonder she is disliked.

NO DEAL should be the only UK reality in going forward.

The EU doesn't want our troops and our courts. Don't tell porkies to scare people. I think it's called Project Fear.

Gina Millar could choose to buy a super yacht or her own private island. I'm glad she's decided to spend her money trying to ensure that the law is enforced.

*Miller

Go and check the Withdrawal Agreement growstuff You'd be surprised at what we have conceded.

It handcuffs us to the EU.

Yes, very rich people just like Gina Miller want to stay in the EU. Makes you wonder, really.

And another really nasty thread

yes, growstuff, really agree. Give me Gina's smile to the smug faces of Priti Patel- who is in it for tons of money all the way and no principles or empathy whatsoever.

I have Day6. I'm not surprised. What exactly do you mean? The NI backstop perhaps?

There's a much longer list of rich people who want to leave the EU. I don't have to wonder why they want to leave because it's blatantly obvious.

As someone who believes that the United Kingdom should remain within the European Union, I also believe that the British courts should not be in involved in the Brexit arguments.

Having judges formulate what many perceive as political rulings make them vulnerable to the abuse and threats that have been incurred by politicians over the last three years.

The arguments and problems with Brexit were created in the British Parliament and therefore should be resolved in that Parliament and only taken beyond that forum if standing legislation has clearly been infringed.

As for the European Union wishing to gain control of "our fishing waters, our troops, our courts and our billions" that statement by Day6 in his/her above post @-16:59 today should be treated in my view with the contempt it deserves.

As usual, there are no substantial arguments made to back up the above "words" and therefore is once again nothing more than the usual remainer rant that we see so much of on this forum

True, there are a lot of Remainer rants around.?

lemon posts "Which article is that copied from Varian?"

Not copied from anything. I am quite capable of composing my own posts, and if I do copy. I give a link or reference.

The fact is that the popularity of EU membership has increased ever since the UK voted in the fraudulent referendum of 2016. Numerous polls have shown that to be true.

It may be true that the average Polish citizen does not wake up every morning worrying about the Irish border, but it is also true that Poland, like all the other EU member countries, has been utterly steadfast in defense of the ROI as a fellow EU member threatened by the foolhardy brexit nonsense being proposed in the UK.

All analyses have shown that in the event of a no deal brexit, the UK would suffer most, followed by Ireland, then the Netherlands and Belgium, then the various other EU countries.

Why should any of us suffer at all because over three yewars ago a number of guillible UK voters were fooled by the lies of the Leave campaigners and the billionaires who were behind them?

Yes, Day6: 'Yes, very rich people just like Gina Miller want to stay in the EU. Makes you wonder, really. '

there are some very rich people who do have principles, do pay honest taxes and do care about others. It is possible - and then there are those who support No Deal because they will be able to continue to hide in Tax Havens and be able to avoid Tax - knowing full well they will not have to suffer the effects of ND.