Labour Party Conference - chaos reigns.

Scottish Labour and The Labour Welsh Government want to remain ,

My dd went to an independent school. She won a full fee scholarship. I could not have afforded to pay her fees at £13k per term 19 years ago. I would not have been pleased if she was not allowed to go to University.

Quite a few Labour party MP's send their children to independent schools eg Diane Abbott

Urmstongran in regards to your post @21:48 today, Johnson has yet to form a solution to the little matter of the legislation that has been laid down that instructs him that he must find a deal acceptable to Parliament if Britain is to leave the EU on the 31st of October.

That same legislation also prevents Johnson and his cohorts from taking Britain out of the European Union on a no deal basis.

So, Urmstongran let us all witness how Johnson handles the above problems and then see how the then inevitable General Election turns out.

However, I feel there will be an "awful amount of water to flow under the bridge before that Election is held."

Corbyn refuses to say he wants leave or remain until after the
general election. So sneaky.

Isn't it just Annie?

I dread to think about the number of splinters in his backside from so much fence-sitting.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTXpaKfbSlc

Corbyn's hatred of the EU very obvious here.

The man is a coward without the courage of his anti-EU convictions.

Looks very much like he'd sell his soul to get into Number 10.

Day6 you state in your post @21:57 today that the quote in a post of yours being "The civil war stops when aggrieved, sore losers stop belly-aching" was copy of a quote made by a remain supporter on this forum.

Thefore Day6 would you please explain why a remain supporter would threaten civil war on other remain supporters? ?

He is such a worm Day6, refused to take part in tv debates leading to the referendum, even went on holiday.

The only party leader who refuses to declare he is for remain
Or leave . That is leading ?

However, I feel there will be an "awful amount of water to flow under the bridge before that Election is held."

Well Grandad that’s true enough - Corbyn doesn’t want one, even though Boris offered!

I truly believe the NEC vote to get rid of Tom Watson was a fix. The day before the start of the party conference!

Urmstongran, Johnson is caught on parliaments hook in regards to a General Election, and he will now have to sort out the Brexit crisis he and his Tory party have brought on this nation before any General Election will be held

All the opposition parties in the House of Commons were unanimous in bringing that welcome situation about.

Anniebach i certainly wish that Watson's position as Deputy Leader had been abolished by the Annual Delegate Conference. I also feel that those delegates should have been granted the opportunity to debate that abolition.

Allowing Watson to remain in office will be regretted by the party as Watson is already demonstrating by his further words today.

The Times described how just before that Momentum geezer tabled the idea to oust Watson, Jezza conveniently left the meeting.

It’s like a scene from a daft version of the Godfather!

Honestly, Labour’s on the foot-shooting mission to end them all.

And to think, they had almost inched themselves into contention. What a farcical lot they are. Like watching a fly crawl up the inside of a beer glass only to get drunk at the top and fall back in.

Thefore Day6 would you please explain why a remain supporter would threaten civil war on other remain supporters?

Oh for goodness sakes *Grandad, go and do your own effin' research!!

A Remainer wrote about 'civil war'. Go and read the thread which so fascinates you! Give it a rest, please.

I quoted a Remainer. My 'crime' was to forget to use inverted commas (speech marks) in my quote. Got it??

I shall report you for trolling if you keep this up.

The Times described how just before that Momentum geezer tabled the idea to oust Watson, Jezza conveniently left the meeting

Urms I used to respect Corbyn because he seemed like a rebel, a man with conviction regarding the EU. He has called it 'undemocratic' many a time.

He is showing his true cowardly colours in walking out when things get heated. He is no more than a weak fence-sitter.

Hard left Momentum look to find a malleable replacement (puppet) to lead the Labour party. All the moderates are out.
It's quite frightening.

What would be the justification for eliminating the position of deputy leader of the Labour Party? That position has throughout the history of the LP acted as a counterpoint to that of the leader. It has helped to ensure that the party represented all opinions in the party, it has also often been occupied by someone at odds with the leader.

Now it is essential, it appears, to ensure only one view is permitted to be expressed. The LP as now being run could well be the product of the Stasi or KGB.

Now it is essential, it appears, to ensure only one view is permitted to be expressed. The LP as now being run could well be the product of the Stasi or KGB

This is the crux of the matter absthame

I'm from a working class background and voting for Labour was always our default position. I feel the Conservative Party represent the values of people like me now, which is really weird!

This is why people fear what is going on in the Labour Party. If it should have been hard left always, then that by-passed millions of working people. To have aspirations seems to be anathema to the Labour Party.

Is it just the party for asylum seekers, immigrants and street sleepers? Such issues affect us all and we all want fairness. To be honest, all UK political parties now have a conscience. Hard left Labour don't see it, but the people of the UK tend to be a fair and compassionate bunch, no matter what their circumstances.

Few of us are anarchists.

Labour has left the rails.

£13k a term 19 years ago? Where the heck did she go? Even now there aren't many independent schools with fees at that level.

It would not have been that she wouldn't have been allowed to go to university, but that she would have had to compete on a level playing field with pupils from state schools. That might have meant she would have had to achieve higher grades to compensate for the advantages which independent schools give.

Urmstongran God wouldn't need to help us if local councils were given back responsibility for their schools. That's how it worked until the late 1980s with HMI to oversee the overall quality. Thirty years of centralisation has failed to raise standards other than as a paper exercise. Governments have been to keen to have a finger in the pie.

Central government should stick to policy changes such as formulating and funding improvements in 16-18 education and apprenticeships.

It's laughable to think that Labour's proposals are Marxist! Those are populist ideas designed to appeal to specific groups.

What any of the proposals lack is an overall grand plan, which is what Marxism would be about. Unfortunately, I have serious concerns about the current Labour shadow cabinet's intellectual understanding of the big issues such as the economy.

That's why I shake my head in despair, not because I'm against greater equality and social justice, which some posters on GN are.

There is no way that Labour will sell those ideas to potential voters rather than those already committed to Labour.

Abolishing prescription charges and fees for social care for over 65s won't help the poorest, as Labour claims. Those are promises to appeal to Middle England.

If Labour really wanted to help the poorest they would upgrade Local Housing Allowance, so that people on Housing Benefit received the full amount of their rent, upgrade benefits in line with inflation and resurrect May's plans for social care, which ironically would have helped the very poorest.

Instead of the above, we have class warfare twaddle, the unintended consequences of which haven't been thought through.

day6 your language is very florid and threatening lately. Have you been reading too much social media.

Whitewavemark2, I believe that Day6 carries many of the traits of the current Tory party leader that he/she so loves. ?