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How dare brexiteers jeopardise my daughter's life!!

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mcem Mon 23-Sept-19 18:25:25

My daughter has serious chronic health problems.
After an ileostomy, she depends on drugs to keep her digestive system working.
She has serious kidney problems with resulting UTI's and so needs specific antibiotics. Her GP today, while prescribing for her latest UTI has given her several weeks worth of antibiotics as a precaution. She'll inevitably need them over the next few months so now has a reserve supply.
Meantime, her father (my ex husband but a good friend) is equally concerned about his diabetes med's.
One brexiteer declared in a vox pop interview last week that he is prepared to do without his insulin if it means brexit goes ahead!
Well tell that to my daughter's two children (9 and 10)!!
How can anyone in their right mind accept/condone the fact that it's becoming ever clearer that normal folks like my family may suffer badly because of their short-sighted and uncaring attitudes - and that's before we get into the economics, the dishonesty and the self-serving politics of this chaos!

Ginny42 Mon 23-Sept-19 23:04:27

A little compassion for families worried about how their loved ones will cope, should their meds become unavailable, would be nice to read.

I can only imagine those utterly unconcerned about the availability of essential drugs don't have family members who are sick/chronically ill and needing medication. I'm stunned that they cannot empathise with those experiencing possible unavailability of essential meds.

A colleague has already experienced his drugs not being available and tells me his Dr got them for him in the end. I have no idea what that involved, but I know my friend is anxious about his next prescription.

mcem you have my sympathy about your DD's situation. I too would be distraught if it were happening in my family.

Urmstongran Mon 23-Sept-19 23:11:39

Hear, hear Fiachna50 Mon 23-Sep-19 21:13:49

A voice of reason amongst all this cacophony of febrile sound.

I can understand your worry mcem and I’m not making light of it. I’m sure I would feel very anxious if it were my daughter.

But nothing has happened yet.

We may get a deal.

Your daughter’s hospital specialist would do well to sit you & your daughter down and discuss your (understandable) fears rationally.

Is your daughter as scared as you? Or has she had some degree of positivity about this situation? I refer you to the upthread post by the NHS nurse practitioner.

Perhaps you could p.m. her? She may be able to give you further reassurance.

But I’m with Gabriella here (and one or two others on this thread). Emotive language and vitriol against those of us who voted Leave is wrong. We put a cross on a piece of paper in a ballot box. We are not monsters. I’m sure everyfeels for your anguish here as a mother.

Urmstongran Mon 23-Sept-19 23:14:51

P.s. A friend of mine is a pharmacist and has his own independent pharmacy for over 10y. I’m going to ask him questions on this topic when I see him next week.

Urmstongran Mon 23-Sept-19 23:18:34

You are as bad varian

literally threatened with a higher risk of death by the mindless brexit nonsense

Which normal caring person would ever have voted for this?

You imply I did. And all who voted Leave.

No one ‘voted for this’. What an awful thing to say.

Goodbyetoallthat Mon 23-Sept-19 23:24:01

Mcem my daughter is in the same position & has been warned by both her consultant & GP that her medication is likely to be in short supply post Brexit. She is 23 & has epilepsy & it has taken several years to get her medication on an even keel. I am extremely worried for her but obviously keeping that to myself.
I voted remain but we have to accept the democratic vote of the electorate (albeit a small majority) however some of the views expressed on this thread are breathtaking vile. How very sad.

Urmstongran Mon 23-Sept-19 23:27:19

P.s. my cousin has a colostomy - people in Leave voting families are vulnerable too.

She voted Leave by the way.

GabriellaG54 Tue 24-Sept-19 00:02:00

Do you think that, post Brexit, no other country would facilitate our having reasonable stocks of medicines to treat all illnesses, thus, by default, allowing people in the UK to needlessly suffer or come to harm?
I'm not just talking about pain meds.
I mean hospitals needing morphine, anaesthetics etc as well as equipment, some of which is sourced from Germany and France.
No civililised country would deny those necessities being imported to any other country.
I guarantee that there would be an uprising if that were even on the table, so all this nonsense about Leavers being the wicked witch holding out the apple, is farcical.
Withholding medicines or medical aid will never happen.

GabriellaG54 Tue 24-Sept-19 00:08:11

Goodbyetoallthat
IMV it was totally irresponsible forca consultant and a GP to warn your daughter that her medicine might be in short supply post Brexit.
Did telling her give her peace of mind or is she now anxious and worried?
I fail to see any positives in that action.

Summerlove Tue 24-Sept-19 00:10:09

Wait, so you want to rely on on the good will of countries you no longer want to share resources with?

That’s rich

MaizieD Tue 24-Sept-19 00:20:38

Do you think that the EU states will have Comic Relief day to raise money for medicines for the poor Brits..

From EU leaders to EU petitioners in 3 years... Ye gods!

Namsnanny Tue 24-Sept-19 00:26:56

Summerlove….What shared resources are you thinking of?

Goodbyetoallthat Tue 24-Sept-19 00:54:40

GabriellaG I very much doubt that they saw any positives in saying that at all!
However as you will be aware as a lawyer, we have to set out the negatives (as well as the positives) in order to give clients the full picture.

quizqueen Tue 24-Sept-19 03:03:39

If the situation arises that some drugs don't get through the ports quickly, It is the EU who should be blamed for withholding them or causing delays with paperwork, not Brexit. I'm sure other countries, which are not or never have been member states of the EU, manage to get their supplies on time.

Hardly anyone on this forum ever seems to want to blame the EU for any potential problems with trade. There is nothing wrong with wanting your country to be a self governing nation like the majority of the rest of the world.

growstuff Tue 24-Sept-19 04:36:18

It doesn't matter who is to blame. You really have missed the point. It's blatantly obvious you don't understand the situation at all.

The UK is a self governing nation, which has reciprocal agreements with other countries - just like every other civilised country in the world!

For an up-to-date, balanced view of preparations and anticipated scenarios on the supply of medicines, try reading this:

www.pharmaceutical-journal.com/opinion/editorial/for-patients-sake-no-deal-brexit-must-be-avoided/20207069.article?firstPass=false

So people who voted to leave the EU understood all the facts? Really?

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Loislovesstewie Tue 24-Sept-19 06:05:35

I am very concerned about my adult child who has had type 1 diabetes since the age of 11. The insulin and other meds come from Denmark/ France . What happens after Brexit ? I don't know but I do know what will happen with no insulin .

Hetty58 Tue 24-Sept-19 06:34:35

Loislovesstewie, I see no need for concern:

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-are-insulin-supplies-really-at-risk-from-a-no-deal-brexit

Loislovesstewie Tue 24-Sept-19 06:37:41

You may not see any need for concern. I suspect that you don't need insulin. If you believe this government on anything that I am quite frankly surprised.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 24-Sept-19 06:38:53

What has happened to an individual when they are willing to risk, sick people becoming sicker or dying. British ex-pats being forced back to the U.K. and struggling to find accommodation, job losses by the hundreds of thousands, food shortage, chaos etc

For absolutely no gain whatsoever, either to them personally or us as a country. The only individuals standing to gain are the vastly wealthy.

Brexit is a strange cult.

mcem Tue 24-Sept-19 07:40:11

To those who have shown compassion and understanding, I say Thank You for your concern.
To those with loved ones in a similar situation I send my support (for what that's worth).

Perhaps DD and I should simply contact the specialists who deal with her complex needs and inform them that a couple of stroppy GN know-it-alls say that they are making a fuss about nothing!

So that'll be a fine conclusion.
They'll simply get a grip, ignore the expert advice and information to which they have access and join the bury-your-head-in-the-sand brigade.

Marydoll Tue 24-Sept-19 08:01:10

mcem, I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter's situation and shocked at some of the insensitive reponses to your OP.
You must be sick with worry.
I can empathise, as in the last few weeks there have been difficulties obtaining some of the meds for my complex conditions and it is a worry for me.

Some of the posters on here are fortunate in that they don't have health issues, oh to walk in others shoes!

Peonyrose Tue 24-Sept-19 08:05:49

I do hope the prescription and and medical side gets sorted quickly, it must be so worrying for those dependant on them.
My rights have been eroded for too many years by Brussels overriding our rules of law and un unprecidented amounts of people coming here and claiming our benefits and housing, we gave do many youngsters and homeless as it is, it's ridiculous. . How wide can arms stretch? I want Brexit, that's what the majority voted for tank goodness, shame it's bought the country to its knees by un democratic load people who don't recognise how lucky they are to live in a democracy and abide by the vote. It's their fault we are in a mess, the remainers who blocked everything throwing chaos everywhere to get their own way. Shame on them.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 24-Sept-19 08:08:11

peonyrose

You post doesn’t make sense

Urmstongran Tue 24-Sept-19 08:28:28

I hope all goes well with the supply of medicines for everyone.

And I do hope (for the sense of balance and fair play) that you will post on this thread in the NY mcem that happily, your worst fears never materialised.

If I were a betting woman I’d have a punt on it.

Fears ARE being ratcheted up by those with a vested interest. Ever notice it’s all ‘might’ ‘could’ and ‘maybes’.

Elegran Tue 24-Sept-19 09:09:48

When the outcome of an action is subject to coulds and mights, I would rather expect the worst and be aware that the worst may happen and then be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't, than assume that all will be roses until I get a far more unpleasant surprise when disaster strikes.

Boris & Co have made public (when forced to) a document summarising the possible/probable/likely results of Brexit. I have no doubt at all that filed away in Whitehall are detailed reports from each sector on what they expect will happen. Bear in mind that each of them spends every working day dealing with the subject they have reported on, so they know what they are talking about.

They predict that there could be problems in every sphere of life - not a single one of the sectors seems to believe that all wiil go swimmingly with no problems, and that some of the problems will be serious ones.

Take energy. Section 15 in the published report is blacked out (too scary for Joe Public?), but a journalist who saw the leaked version has published it. It says that -
"Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans."

"This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000)

"Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries."

That is just one sector. We are on track for a series of multiple national emergencies, ignoring that fact is equivalent to putting on a blindfold before walking along a cliff edge. No-one can predict exactly where we we will all be in ten years time - who knows, it may all be sweetness and light - but the near future is not going to be a bed of roses.

Scrape the sand out of your ears and listen. Read that report and understand it - it is the tip of the iceberg. Stop playing triumphant music and get on your lifejacket.