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The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

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Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 01:35:09

We have a Prime Minister who suspends Parliament for 5 weeks at a time of national crisis in order to allow him to pursue a minority policy, and who then forcefully declares that the 11 Justices of the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in the country, are wrong.

My Concise Oxford Dictionary defines a dictator as a ruler with (often usurped) unrestricted authority. It defines usurp as seize or assume (a throne or power etc.) wrongfully.

I feel that we have crossed a line on to a very slippery slope.
Do supporters of Johnson not feel just a teeny bit worried?

westendgirl Thu 26-Sept-19 17:46:46

!Dont forget those Tories who voted against Theresa May's deal, the ERG and the Prime Minister, to name a few .

janipat Thu 26-Sept-19 17:47:24

Day6 you applaud Johnson for storming out and saying he will not obey the law. Do you think he should be punished if he does indeed break the law? If not, what laws can we, the public, now break with impunity?

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 17:57:32

Day6- I am afraid we must be reading different threads. Again and again, some of us have been asking for real answers, real and factual argument/s- re the Laws which we have not helped to formulate, and we have had replies about bent bananas, and nonsense. We have asked politely, again and again- for facts that the Yellowhammer and expert research re consequences were not factual, and we have been told that we could grow vegetables and that the Dunkirk spirit would prevail.

If responses given make no sense, and have been shown to be nonsense- people will say so. Give me good quality EVIDENCE and facts - and I and others will respond accordingly.

As for cheering Johnson when he lies to HRH, and leaves the House in a huff because he does not have any answers, and when he has clearly stated he will break the Sovereign Law of this Sovereign Country- then you have truly lost the plot, and certainly, the argument. 'We want our own Laws back' 'which ones' hmm hmmm bent bananas'. Johnson clearly intends to break our Sovereign Law - oh good, we will cheer him on.

And you are surprise that we don't go with it? Really.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:00:36

@RachelSJohnson wonders, on #wato, whether this incendiary stuff coming from her brother could be:

1) from Cummings;

2) from her brother himself; or

➡3) from "people who have invested billions in shorting the £... in the expectation of a #NoDealBrexit"

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:01:40

So why is negativity resulting in violence, pray tell? How dare you blame remainder for what is happening. And, I'll remind you that Jo Cox was murdered before the referendum....

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:15:53

JRM supporter sites have been saying today the only thing for Jo Swinson to wear is a bullet between her eyes. Lots of likes, reported, FB does nothing- and JRM is keeping well away. Far Right extremism being whipped up to an even more frenzy. Very worrying, and those who really do worry about this are certainly not 'hysterical'.

Hattiehelga Thu 26-Sept-19 18:17:57

Labaik, if the result had been accepted an orderly exit would have long since been achieved.I am not suggesting you are a gambler but if you bet on a horse to win and it lost, would you demand a re-run ? I deplore the violence as much as anyone and I repeat, it was inappropriate to bring Jo Cox into the argument especially, as you point out, her death was unrelated to Brexit.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:23:10

Totally agree with you Riponian42

I think Boris is determined to get us out.

I watched the MP’s in Parliament yesterday.

Remainers heard Boris (about Jo Cox) and thought ‘hang on, that’s bloody disrespectful as she voted to Remain in the EU so wouldn’t want Brexit done in her name’.

I (as a Leaver) heard Boris and thought ‘yes, a fitting tribute to say she, above all people, would have wanted DEMOCRACY to triumph’.

We hear what we want to hear I suppose.
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Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:26:01

* meant to say campaigned, not voted. She was murdered a week before the referendum.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:26:05

If the horse had been drugged and the race rigged, for sure, especially if it won by 0.05 of a second.

It was perfectly natural for women politicians, who are scared NOW by the violence is being unleashed in the country, particularly on women politicians and their families- to mention what happened to their friend and colleague. It was hugely wrong to ignore and mock- and 'humbug' the comment and refuse to take it on board- and even worse, whip up more with dreadful language.

NO EXCUSE.

quizqueen Thu 26-Sept-19 18:28:14

All the judges were Remainers so their decision must, of course, have been a fair one!!!!!

Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:28:41

Madgran77, the majority of people do not want a no-deal Brexit.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:31:31

quizqueen- evidence please.

Just feel sick -seeing/hearing Farage's 'Party' political broadcast.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:32:40

The world is watching - so is the EU sad

gagsy Thu 26-Sept-19 18:35:57

My late father was an MP for many years. He always said never speak ill. of your opponents and made many good friends among people of the “other” side. He was much loved by his constituents and must be turning in his grave!

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:40:10

The more blows the anti-democrats in the Commons land on Boris, the more his double-digit poll difference creeps up.
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People -v- Parliament seems to be a good strategy.

Elegran Thu 26-Sept-19 18:41:20

I'd like to see that evidence too, Quizqueen Do you have some private arrangement that allows you to see how people voted? If not, you must have some other evidence that you can let us see.

Are you, perhaps, arguing backwards here? - YOU are a leaver so you would have made the decision that Parliament should be muzzled until after the Brexit deadline was over, therefore any decision that the proroguing was not lawful, so never happened must have been made by someone with a diferent view to yours? Illogical, illogical, as Mr Spock would have said.

(though we have been assured many times over that the proroguing wasn't anything to do with Brexit. Are you now saying that is wrong and it WAS to stymie discussion on Brexit?)

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:42:04

I didn't say Jo Cox's murder wasn't because of brexit; I said it wasn't the result of the negativity that remainers are being blamed for. Post referendum the negativity is due to a brexit that is undeliverable and always was. On top of this I have just seen a brexit party political broadcast that is not only full of false information but is using words such as 'betrayal, slavery, trapped' etc. Which, after the events of the past 24 hours I find despicable.

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:43:32

jura; crossed post. Shocking, wasn't it.....

Labaik Thu 26-Sept-19 18:45:20

Yes,quizqueen. What evidence do you have that the jury were all remainers?

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:46:17

made me feel truly sick - lies more lies and whipping up hatred.

But... as the EU is watching- totally scuppering Johnson's position much much more effectively that taking No Deal off the table.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:47:31

perhaps all Orchestrated ?

Joelsnan Thu 26-Sept-19 18:51:41

Betrayal and trapped. What is despicable about those words? I haven't seen the broadcast so cannot comment on slavery.

missdeke Thu 26-Sept-19 18:52:15

SirChenjin She did not say she would put it to the vote she said she would revoke article 50, not the same thing at all.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 18:55:41

Excusing the un-excusable by some on GN and many beyond, and she says it so well. I do in a way, sort of feel sorry for failed Boris who has had a very sad life, golden spoon in mouth, but a terrible family life

www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/519216878827552/