The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

humpty
Do a quick search. Twitter is rife with disgusting threats and abuse. What about JRM’s children (dont particularly like him but...).
It certainly is not an exclusively female issue.

This behaviour has been planned by Johnson and Cummings all along. Johnson has been taught by Eton on how to win an argument through bully boy tactics, name calling, insults and lies. We saw this during the Referendum and his ploy to win the PM job. Like Hitler someone voted him into power, so what were they hoping to gain by it? Johnson's downright disregard for this country, its queen, people and parliament is all too obvious. Part of his elaborate scheme to get a general election only because HE wants to win and get Briexit done by 31st October regardless of how it is going to effect the Country. Johnston does not care about Brexit, he doesn't care about your or mine needs he only cares about his needs and all he wants is to the hero of the day just like Winston Churchill and 'save the country'.
The saying you should be careful what you wish for comes to mind over and over again. People did vote for Brexit but I am sure not this mess. Those of us who voted to remain saw the writing on the wall and didn't believe Johnson and his mob.
How the Tory MPs and all the cabinet that are left can still support this situation is beyond my comprehension.
I live in the hope that someone will come to their senses and get this idiot and his 'friends' out of our parliament once and for all and get us back to some sort of normallity so we can live happier lives like in the pre-Brexit days.

Brexit is not a minority policy and by taking no deal off the table why should the EU give us a good deal! The fundamental point of bargaining is to have a strong position to bargain from.

Ilovecheese
www.bradford.ac.uk/news/archive/2018/almost-a-third-of-uk-mps-experience-online-abuse-and-threats.php

Comments made about JRM's children are totally wrong. It is however a pity that JRM has chosen to regularly take his oldest son with him when being Politically active. But I agree Joelsnan re children. A very serious threat, not just 'mocking' (and mocking is bad) was recently made to Jo Swinson's child, and also Anna Soubry's. And yes, women have been particularly attacked adn threatened by Far Right activists- including rape. And it is disgusting and despicable, wherever it comes from- and it can never be an excuse to reply 'oh but others have done it too'

Now, have I got this right. This afternoon, in the House of Commons- Boris stated he would adhere by the Law, and also said that he would NOT write a letter to ask for extension, as per the Law- then walked out, against the Speaker's request, before O'Donell could challenge this.

Wow- we are now beyond the beyond - his position is surely untenable.

yes, full of vitriol and hate, and terrible threats

No, not at all Jura

Which sites are YOU reading? I do not associate with anyone full of hate who makes threats, nor do the Leavers I know.

You'd like it to be that way, but sadly, for you, millions of ordinary, hard-working, caring and concerned people voted to LEAVE the EU, whether you like it or not.

I am reading about anger directed at our stalling, game-playing parliament, intent on destroying democracy by fair means or foul - with the aid of an unelected, wealthy woman.

One wonders when Gina Miller will net pay for courts to overturn parliamentary decisions she doesn't like?

Not only that, Boris has challenged parliament to get rid of him via a general election. They won't, because too many MPs will lose their seats.

Parliament is a cowardly, selfish shambles and millions and millions of people are fed up and angry.

In terms of vitriol and abuse, Leavers have had that for three years from Remainers. Fact.

humpty
The Labour MP Lloyd Russell-Moyle said on Thursday evening he had been attacked by a man in his Brighton Kemptown constituency who said MPs were traitors

Russell-Moyle said the man then “tried to assault me, grabbed and bent my glasses, and for a moment I thought he was going to hit me”, before three men pulled the assailant away. The MP accused May of having “whipped up fear and division” with her speech

Day6- just look at the difference between a Remain march and a Leaver march - just the same on t'internet.

There is a huge difference now:

'"There has always been violence levelled at Members of Parliament. What is new that it is part now of the political strategy to incite fear and loathing, and people versus Parliament, and he is doing it on purpose."'

It is deliberate and part of the official Johnson policy now- with Cummings writing all over.

Sorry Joelsnan, I take your point. However, you also suggested that more male than female MPs had had similar problems. Do you know whether this is true in terms of proprtions, because of course there are far more male MPs to be targetted?

Are you aware that the ruling was made on a law passed the previous day BY the Supreme Court.
Boris could never win.
What do you think he had planned during those 5 weeks - twiddle his thumbs??? No not likely.
Labour and Lib Dem have had their conferences, Conservative party won’t have theirs now. The suspension of parliament happens every year for conference season.

absthane I would not bring a deceased friend into political debate.

jura2
, I am sick and tired of your being sick and tired- with never ever giving any valid argument for any benefits that Brexit with No Deal will bring, and not a single proposal for solutions. Never, not once

I am sure the majority of Leavers who still contribute to this site are sadly sick and tired of being accused of not giving any valid arguments. I will tell you why we have stopped responding to these claims, it is because for more than two years leave posters have given evidence based reasoning for their leave decision and this has been totally ignored by remainers as it might shatter their ideals of remaining i.e. visa free travel to their holiday homes and exchange opportunities for their middle class grandchildren.
Most good, honest leave posters have either left the site or read without respond ing because the same five or six hard line remainers cannot debate and resort to personal attack.
There are two or three leave voters who try to continue a rational debate and ignore the abuse, but refuse to go over and over their reasons for voting leave knowing it falls on closed biased ears.

Amagram ."..a minority policy?" What do you mean?

humpty
There are more male MPs and more in cabinet or senior opposition positions.

Reading the comments on this thread, how not to notice all the eerily similar, troubling circumstances on both sides of the pond? Can we presume these men are here by actual design?

As I speak, we have a President who has committed treasonable offenses and may have in fact impeached himself!

History will tell us if there are to be dire consequences to be faced. Dare I hope that the world can slowly and surely be turned right side up again.

Joelsnan - again and again, sensible questions have been asked of Leavers here, politely - but there are never ever any answers that make any sense, apart from empty rhetoric like 'we want to get our Laws back' (but never ever one single example that is correct) or stuff like 'because' and 'project fear'.

Today Jess Phillips asked Boris why he refused to answer her questions in the House- when in the lobby. He huffed and puffed and uttered unpleasant nonsense- and yes, she did get cross. This afternoon, a man tried to smash the windows of her office, threatening staff, and police had to be called.

And Tony Robinson Yaxley whatever, and our sweet Katie Hopkins, have been all over the internet and TV congratulating Johnson for his words and actions.

And he just walked out of the House, despite being asked to remain, by the Speaker. And was clearly heard saying that he would NOT obey the Law.

Most good, honest leave posters have either left the site or read without responding because the same five or six hard line remainers cannot debate and resort to personal attack

Thank you Joelsnan

This is indeed what is happening. There are one or two posters who greet my posts with nothing more than derision, with personal attacks. Always. I shan't name them. They know who they are.

They want to shut down Leavers and any discussion and so attack the poster, not the post. They hate having their Remain bubble burst.

I say I shan't bother any more, but I carry on. Not for much longer, I don't think. I am in contact with many former Leave voting posters who say it's not worth the effort.

JRM did actually say in the house that the level of abuse aimed at his family was very low compared to what some people are experiencing. He did, however, appear to be sniggering when Johnson was uttering his humbug' comment.

Conservatives are sadly the only party in parliament trying to respect the vote of 17.4 million people to Leave EU. Lib Dems would revoke and Labour would offer Remain v a Leave deal deal that remained in CU and SM so Remain or Remain really.
It is crystal clear that Corbyn is refusing to have GE as he knows he will lose not just election but his heartlands in North and Londoners who will go Lib Dem.

49% of poll now wants to leave on Oct 31st deal or no deal. Boris does have a mandate to leave EU.

Jess Phillips office has been under attack; Anna Soubry is still having to run the gauntlet of abuse. It is brexit that has unleashed all of this.

And he just walked out of the House, despite being asked to remain, by the Speaker. And was clearly heard saying that he would NOT obey the Law

And millions and millions of the electorate cheered him on, Jura! Hate to say it.

(Console yourself that Remainers had whooped with joy that wealthy Gina Miller paid for courts to intervene...you had your moment.)

Boris banged up in jail. That would be an excellent protest. It used to happen in places like Soviet Russia.

The country is rallying behind him. The people who went out to vote - you remember that old democratic thing we do in the UK - one person, one vote. More wanted to leave the EU than remain.

If you think those people will quietly accept what our dead and selfish parliament is doing, and roll over and die, you are very mistaken.

It is brexit that has unleashed all of this

I think you'll find it is REMAIN voters who cannot accept the result of a referendum that's caused all this.

Imagine how peaceful it would be now if we'd decided to leave the EU instead of negotiate with Brussels - after telling them No Deal was off the table. Remainer May has a lot to answer for too. And we continue to send Brussels billons of taxpayers money while all this is going on.

The EU is desperate for our funding to continue.

How we admire (not!) the Remain MPs who in siding with Brussels, and not the UK have caused this mess.

In 1933 when Hitler came to power, Germany didn't have death camps or the Nuremberg Laws - both came later when the dictatorship was established.

However, repellent anyone finds a comparison between Johnson and Hitler, Franco might actually be a better comparison, but there is little choice in rotten apples, none of the dictators of the 20th century started out, outwardly at least, as the atrocious people they finished up as, but all started by taken liberties with democracy, which both Johnson and Trump are also doing.

Probably, Nazi Germany never would have become the atrocious chapter in world history that it did, if right-minded German men and women ( the majority of the population, in other words) had realised in 1933 how dangerous Hitler would become.

It is at the beginning that there is a chance of stopping a dictator. Later on, it will be too late.

No Labaik, it's the Remainers' refusal to accept the majority vote who have caused all the negativity.

A very good point @Baggs.