The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

I agree WWmk2 but A deal that could unite both moderate leavers and remainers surely must seem the most obvious and optimistic way forward hasn’t happened in 3 very long years.

It’s hard to be optimistic.

Well it was conservative EFG MPs who stopped TM's deal going through. Don't believe that evil trio's ( Johnson \EFG\DUP) lies. The deal was a pretty good deal which could have been a unifying deal, yes warts were to be seen but it satisfied 85% of all sides except for that evil anti-democratic trio. So it is silly to blame those other than the trio for us still being firmly in the EU.

Lemongrove, your post Thursday about try living with dictatorship, well I have. I have for 4 months of every year for 11 years lived in such a country and believe me Boris is starting to act like one and you really don't want it.

Well said Barmeyoldbat....

This is what happens when you elect an insane New Yorker....we know this for a fact.

Power corrupts and total power corrupts totally....

Media reports are advising that extream right wing Brexit supporters who claim to be allied Johnson are now threatening "riots in the streets" if Britains withdraw from the European Union is not completed on the 31st of October. Apparently, this is being organised via dark web social media sites in the same manner as football disorder is organised by so-called rabid club fans.

To those that have criticised me for making such a comparison in this thread with the German early 1930s scenario, I do not believe that they can deny that the similarities with that German scenario are very much there and growing by the week.

To hold a riot you have to attack something or some people, so again we are witnessing a divergence of activity very similar to early 1930s Germany.

For evil to prevail all it takes is for good people to do nothing, or in the case of Britain at this time deny such a threat exists.

Link to Times newspaper report on the above to be found here:-

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/deliver-brexit-or-face-riots-minister-warns-boris-johnson-m7bqr00x3

Many more reports can be found in regard to the above on various online websites.

I don’t understand how this Brexit vote has become a left or right issue. In the days when people discussed quietly and rationally how and why they voted in the referendum it was apparent that people of opposite political leanings voted leave and remain. I know people that voted leave and would do so again that are definitely on the left, liberal minded and certainly not old! I also know several right wing types that voted remain. Parliament has behaved disgracefully - all of them by using this issue to further their own aims and both sides will do anything necessary to thwart the other. If BJ was trying to keep us in they’d vote against that too and vice versa. It is truly disgusting from all sudes!!

Grandad; I've been saying for a while that the pro brexit demonstrators are like the so called football fans that go to matches purely to fight with people afterwards. And Cummings language reminds me of the perpetrator in an abusive relationship that says I love you and it's your fault that I'm beating you up.....

Excellent post tickingbird ( whichever way you voted)
I do think many posters have lost sight of the words ‘quiet and rationally’ unfortunately.

Are Geoffrey Cox and Johnson posters on GN?

I don't think it's ever been a straightforward left/right issue. In fact, the Conservative and Labour parties don't represent the same left/right divisions as fifty years ago.

Barmey which dictatorship did you live under for four months of each year for eleven days.....and why?

Johnson is not a dictator, nor has this country become one, or will become one in the near future.We are shortly to have a GE for a start.

The hysteria surrounding this whole dictatorship thing on GN is laughable.

Typo...eleven years.

Grandad1943 - it was obvious there would be civil unrest if Brexit is not delivered. What do you expect? They are not keeping their promise to the voters, many of whom voted for the first time in the belief that their vote counted.

People complain when we have a weak leader, and they complain when we have a strong leader. From what we've seen in the past the EU is much more of a dictatorship than Boris could ever be.

Boris Johnson is, I strongly suspect, an admirer and acolyte of Donald Trump.

Both are utter buffoons but because of their powerful positions they are frighteningly dangerous. They certainly both firmly believe they are above any law.

Chestnut Quote [From what we've seen in the past the EU is much more of a dictatorship than Boris could ever be.] End Quote.

Chestnut, the European Union is not a dictatorship as it has the European Parliament to which we elect the British delicates. It also has a council of ministers for each major industry or European interest that are attended by the comparative minister from each European member state who decide on issues by majority vote. There is also the European Commission which acts as the civil service for the above in carrying out their decisions.

While in membership of the above structure Britain became the fifth largest economy in the world by way of having access to the open free market that the European Union provides. When we have had grievances with other member states or the overall structure of the EU we have been able to voice those grievances in the EU parliament or through those various councils of ministers for resolution.

So, in the above Chestnut, please inform me how the European Union has acted "like a dictatorship" as I feel your quoted words could well have been taken from any of the right wing tabloid newspapers that have contributed so much in bringing this country into the crisis it faces now.

Both Johnson and Trump are following "great man" theory.

Shakespeare said "some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon 'em" what he missed was that some should just accept they are not great they are liars and bullies and get out of the way for a reasonable person to take over.

Grandad1943 - the crisis we are in now is caused by those who are seeking to stop Brexit happening. As for the EU - do you not remember Cameron trying to negotiate with them time and time again but to no avail. People were not happy with our relationship with the EU but they would not make any concessions which is why he was forced to hold a referendum. They were in control and that was the problem.

We had huge rebates, and we were uniquely allowed to keep Sterling as our currency, and not be part of Schengen. We did have very very special terms- and yet, a centre seat at the top table.

I don't remember that. I remember Cameron going to the EU, negotiating some concessions, which were hardly reported by the media.

What does the EU control which affects your life on a day to day basis?

I don't remember that. I remember Cameron going to the EU, negotiating some concessions, which were hardly reported by the media.
Well I do remember.

What does the EU control which affects your life on a day to day basis?
Well for a start I see neighbourhoods which were once pleasant, tidy and well-maintained now turned into shabby, run-down areas as a direct result of free movement of people. You cannot deny this has happened.

Amagran.. my answer to your question is no I don’t think Johnson’s supporters are worried about his behaviour re court decision. Haven’t read all the posts here too many... but my understanding of the ones I have read ,bring to mind a great saying of my granny. ‘Two wrongs don’t make a right’. That was drummed into us as children. Until the moderate colleagues of Mr Johnson speak up and I know some of them have he’ll justify his actions and language continuously. What really tells me a lot is his family are voicing their concerns.
And I get the impression they are worried about where he’ll take this country.

Chestnut, in regard to your post @12:00 today, the reason why the European Union were unable to grant to David Cameron the conditions he demanded was for the simple fact that what he was asking for transgressed the treaties that Britain had signed jointly with all other EU member states.

The Tory negotiators then continued with the same demands for more than two years in the formal leave negotiations which again could never be granted by the EU commission.

Self interest and Stupidity in the Tory party has brought the United Kingdom to the constitutional, political and rapidly developing commercial crisis it faces now.

As stated, utter stupidity and negligence in the Tory Party have brought Britain into the ever deepening crisis it now faces, and no other body