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The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

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Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 01:35:09

We have a Prime Minister who suspends Parliament for 5 weeks at a time of national crisis in order to allow him to pursue a minority policy, and who then forcefully declares that the 11 Justices of the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in the country, are wrong.

My Concise Oxford Dictionary defines a dictator as a ruler with (often usurped) unrestricted authority. It defines usurp as seize or assume (a throne or power etc.) wrongfully.

I feel that we have crossed a line on to a very slippery slope.
Do supporters of Johnson not feel just a teeny bit worried?

Chestnut Fri 27-Sept-19 12:45:45

utter stupidity and negligence in the Tory Party have brought Britain into the ever deepening crisis it now faces
You forgot to add the words 'in my opinion......'.

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 12:48:33

How many areas are those Chestnut? Not many places have "EU ghettoes". In fact, I personally don't now any.

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 12:48:43

Next ...

Labaik Fri 27-Sept-19 12:57:20

Shabby, run down areas of this country are the result of austerity cuts, not the EU (that plough far more money into deprived area than central government ever will). The most run down area that I know of personally are not full of EU workers but people from other ethnic groups.

MaizieD Fri 27-Sept-19 12:57:50

As for the EU - do you not remember Cameron trying to negotiate with them time and time again but to no avail.

No, Chestnut, I do not and neither will members of the UK public who still have regard for truth and accuracy.

What Cameron achieved with his negotiations (which cannot by any stretch of the imagination be described as taking place 'time and time again') is recorded here, in Hansard. The true record of Parliamentary proceedings:

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmhansrd/cm160222/debtext/160222-0001.htm#16022210000001

Scroll down to Cameron's statement and see what the truth looks like.

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 12:58:19

Well, this is weird. The North East, which voted most heavily for leave, has the fewest EU-born migrants. So where exactly are these ghettos?

Any more ways the EU has affected your daily life?

MaizieD Fri 27-Sept-19 12:59:29

I think that your memory is playing you false, Chestnut.

Chestnut Fri 27-Sept-19 13:15:57

The most run down area that I know of personally are not full of EU workers but people from other ethnic groups.
Just because they are from other ethnic groups does not mean they did not arrive from the EU.

I have the greatest admiration for hardworking migrants who contribute to our society, but unfortunately there are also a lot who do not fit that description, whether here legally or not.

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 13:22:11

Aha! So it's non-EU immigrants you object to?

FYI Immigration from outside the EU (whether or not via A EU country) are subject to immigration controls and don't have Freedom of Movement.

Next please!

jura2 Fri 27-Sept-19 13:28:57

This is from the Times-re potential violence on the streets. Don't believe me if you want- but pretending that very nasty forces are not preparing, is just folly and putting your head in the sand. Johnson uses inflammatory language, then pretends to call for calm- whilst continuing to use inflammatory language... Nasty forces are being whipped up. Believe it... or not.

'Despite the prime minister’s appeal for calm, a cabinet minister told The Times: “In this country we never had the gilets jaunes or the LA riots [in 1992]. People don’t think it’s possible in this country just because it has not happened before. Now they have a model — gilets jaunes — they have encrypted phones to co-ordinate it, and it only takes a couple of nasty populist frontmen to inspire people.”

The minister highlighted Mr Johnson’s warning in the Commons that there would be a “catastrophic loss of confidence in our political system” if Britain failed to leave. “If we have a referendum with 30 million people who vote, and we vote Remain by 66 per cent, that’s ten million people who are unhappy,” they said.

“Even if 99 per cent of them shrug it off, that’s still 100,000 really angry people who will write to their MP and not let it go. It doesn’t take much and soon you have tens of thousands of people on the street.”'

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 13:34:29

So he's prepared for 100,000 angry Remain voters?

growstuff Fri 27-Sept-19 13:35:38

I thought our PM was the Hulk!

LondonGranny Fri 27-Sept-19 13:46:41

After flouncing in Luxembourg he's been dubbed 'The Incredible Sulk'!

jura2 Fri 27-Sept-19 13:51:22

So, what was alluded to on Question Time last night, and which Cleverly squirmed not to respond to- is becoming clear.

How devious... and clever, à la Cummings/Cox. Time for Gina and others to step up the mark again- and for HRH to stop agreeing to play in their villain game. B*s......s.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1177308131644325888.html

Barmeyoldbat Fri 27-Sept-19 15:30:25

OK Lemongrove having just got back from hospital appointment I can now answer your question that you have asked twice.

Hun Sen is the dictator and its Cambodia and why do we go? mainly to visit friends and carryon with a bit of voluntary work as if its got anything to do with it. Why do you go where you do for a holiday?

Yes he has held elections almost a 100% turn out because if you don't vote and vote for him there are consequences and you often disappear. He has family members in key jobs (Boris's brother) and last time we were out there they were having key court case in their high court. He replaced the judges and of course we can guess how the case went. There are many other things, censor of newspaper, now only one allowed. I could go on.

So what has this to do with Boris? Well bury your head in the sand if you like Lemongrove but he has the all the makings of a dictator and has started to abuse his power already.

On the whole just because you have elections does it make all ok.

lemongrove Fri 27-Sept-19 15:44:16

OK Barmey....well, am certain I only asked once, not twice
( am not all that interested) but you replied to my comment of ‘some people should try living in a real dictatorship’ with your own post saying you lived in one for four months a year for eleven years.This bit of info was intriguing, so I asked which dictatorship, and why you did so.You need not have told me if you didn’t want to, your choice!
Also your choice to go and live there for four months in every year ( unlike the residents.)
Are you seriously comparing us with Cambodia?Also, am fairly sure that Jo Johnson is not in a key position there.grin

Barmeyoldbat Fri 27-Sept-19 15:48:48

Jo Johnson was in a key position here. And yes I choose to live there for 4 months a year I am regarded as just a tourist and don't have to work under his rules. Just keep my head down. I

If you weren't that interested why ask?

Labaik Fri 27-Sept-19 16:08:48

Can I just say how fantastic it is of you to go to a dangerous country to do voluntary work...x

lemongrove Fri 27-Sept-19 16:13:09

grin

Labaik Fri 27-Sept-19 16:18:58

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Fennel Fri 27-Sept-19 16:19:48

growstuff Your graph is interesting.
We live in the NE and as I've said a few times on here, The opposition to the EU is a mystery to me. even though I was born and grew up here.
There are many immigrant groups where we live now, probably not elsewhere. They're well accepted.
There's still a strong tradition of local community support, especially among the elderly, who all seem to know eachother. Who have kept eachother going in the 'hard times'.
Things are changing though as they/we pass away.

varian Fri 27-Sept-19 17:14:28

Why Fennel do you think that these traditional LP voters in the NE, unlike most LP voters, voted for brexit?

Fennel Fri 27-Sept-19 17:24:14

As I said Varian it's a bit of a mystery still to me.
The only reason I can think of is that this strong community spirit fosters a feeling of independence - we can cope on our own. Don't want to be told what to do.
Most people my age left school at 14 and had to go to work.

Urmstongran Fri 27-Sept-19 17:52:58

I think Boris must be the only ‘dictator in waiting’ who is begging for a GE!

The 2 things are not compatible so I’m not worried.

varian Fri 27-Sept-19 17:56:37

Would you be worried UG if we had a general election which resulted in another hung parliament? What then?