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The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

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Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 01:35:09

We have a Prime Minister who suspends Parliament for 5 weeks at a time of national crisis in order to allow him to pursue a minority policy, and who then forcefully declares that the 11 Justices of the Supreme Court, the highest legal authority in the country, are wrong.

My Concise Oxford Dictionary defines a dictator as a ruler with (often usurped) unrestricted authority. It defines usurp as seize or assume (a throne or power etc.) wrongfully.

I feel that we have crossed a line on to a very slippery slope.
Do supporters of Johnson not feel just a teeny bit worried?

Chaitriona Thu 26-Sept-19 19:51:21

I was shocked when an MP said in Parliament that death threats had been made against her child. What have we come to? A YouGOV poll today has shown that 75% of British people think the language used in Parliament does matter. A large majority of both leave and remain voters think the tone in Parliament is too aggressive. A majority of both leave and remain voters and a majority of voters for the Conservative, the Labour and the Liberal Democratic parties think the Prime Minister has a responsibility to create a safe environment for MPs and their families.

MaizieD Thu 26-Sept-19 19:52:01

You do realise that members of the Supreme Court are in receipt of £175k annual stipend from the EU.

The internet search engine I use must be a filthy Remainer too, because I can't find any evidence to back up that assertion. Perhaps sillyoldfool would like to provide a link to an authoritative source

Hattiehelga Thu 26-Sept-19 19:55:21

If the vote had been respected there would not be a Brexit party or certainly not one with the following it now has.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 20:00:27

I did jura already. Straight after you and Labaik maligned my character. Go check.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 20:01:07

maizie I’m waiting as well.

I suspect the truth is that silly has accepted something she has read without giving it any critical thought.

My initial thought would have been

“ how can that be, given that the Supreme Court is a U.K. domestic institution and sovereign”

And that is what I continue to think unless I’m told differently.

So I would need definite evidence to accept that assertion

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 20:07:59

www.facebook.com/RTUKnews/videos/2304064516573924/

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 20:10:26

I am sorry to say I can't find your explanation about 'the people will do it'

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 20:12:16

Gosh jura!!

Here it was:
message Urmstongran Thu 26-Sep-19 19:35:52
Bluddy hell! I meant at the ballot box❗️
Jeez. You’re quick to cast aspersions ladies. You ought to know my views better than that by now.
☹️

Happiyogi Thu 26-Sept-19 20:13:15

I normally like to keep an eye on what's happening politically so switched on last night to see how the first day back was going. I couldn't believe the sights and sounds and just had to switch off. I soon realised this morning that I was far from alone in being horrified. What a mess.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 20:26:35

oh I see- there were at least 5 posts in between, and no indication that you were responding to that specific comment.

So, I will apologise, and I am very glad that this is what you meant.

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 20:30:47

Sadly, it is often best to make things a bit clearer when commenting. There are 1000s out there calling for civil disobedience and violence - on Far Right sites, but also just comments on FB and Twitter- and in the street. And they are beign 'whipped up' by Farage, Yaxley-Lemon aka Toni Robinson, the EDL and BF- and even Johnson now.

Joelsnan Thu 26-Sept-19 20:33:07

jura2
Have you thought of writing?
Your fairy stories are fantastic.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 20:41:57

THANK you jura. You are forgiven. I’m assuming there’s no ‘Specsavers’ in Switzerland?
??

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 20:44:21

No there isn't - I will go to my annual appointment with Vision Express when I am in the UK soon ;)

Joelsnan, I have written Fairy Stories - but never about Farage and Toni Robinson- or Johnson, for sure. Will have to have a go at Horror stories.

Elegran Thu 26-Sept-19 20:49:16

Claiming that British Supreme Court judges are paid ANYTHING by the EU is pretty unlikely - why should they pay our wages bills?

Where did that fake news come from?

The only connection between Judges and £175,000 that I can find online is a Daily Mail article about Judge Hodge saying as he stepped down that sweeping tax cuts since 2011 leaves top judges with only £175,000.

Milo27 Thu 26-Sept-19 20:49:45

I too am dismayed but 'minority policy' do you mean the Brexit vote? If so , it was a majority? If the MPs had honoured their constituents wishes we wouldn't be in this mess would we?

Elegran Thu 26-Sept-19 20:53:14

The 17.4 million were a minority of the 50plus million electorate.

Amagran Thu 26-Sept-19 21:11:25

I will say it again: minority policy refers to leaving the EU without a deal. Most people want either a deal or no Brexit. This is why the Commons voted to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 21:16:05

amagran. I would take issue that “most people want either a deal or no Brexit”

I think in fact the vast majority want a deal or no Brexit.

That is why I would hope that there is a possibility that there is room somewhere in the middle where the majority could meet and agree .

Only a very small minority believe that a no deal is a good thing.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 21:25:27

But Amagran surely you must agree that taking No Deal off the able greatly hampers the U.K. team of negotiators? It ties their hands. I think actually that’s why Remainers like it as they hope it may lead to No Brexit At All.

And we all know MP’s are not up for backing a deal. They will find fault. Safe now in the knowledge that we can’t leave (as No Deal) has been removed!

Groundhog Day. Again.

The EU will offer an extension, e en though their patience is wearing thin. They won’t want to be seen as ‘the bad guys’.

Urmstongran Thu 26-Sept-19 21:31:01

Well Elegran 17.4 million voted Leave + 16.6 million voted Remain = 34 million.

So that leaves 16 million who couldn’t be arsed to vote.

If they couldn’t be bothered, I’m not interested in them.

That leaves Brexit waiting to be delivered. In my book.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 21:35:40

ug that post is doom and gloomy.

Lift your sights and look at what is possible.

A deal that could unite both moderate leavers and remainers surely must seem the most obvious and optimistic way forward.

So unless we begin to leave behind the type of rhetoric we’ve used and heard lately we can never achieve a unity throughout the country.

grannyactivist Thu 26-Sept-19 21:42:33

Ministry of Justice Judicial Salaries from 1 April 2019

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/832410/salary-schedule-april-2019.pdf

www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/the-judiciary-the-government-and-the-constitution/jud-acc-ind/jud-appts/

Doesn't seem as though the Judges are paid from EU money after all!

Whitewavemark2 Thu 26-Sept-19 21:44:28

Thank yougranny I assumed that to be the case

jura2 Thu 26-Sept-19 21:49:28

Where on earth do people get that type of totally false information ??? despair.