The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

No Sussexborn That is not the only choice. Everyone in the UK will have the chance to vote Brexit, Green or Liberal. Voters in Wales can vote for Plaid and those in Scotland can vote SNP (currently the 3rd largest party in the Commons). Voters in NI will also have different choices and there will probably be Independents throwing their hat in the ring.

I fear that the party who will lose out most this time, will be the Monster Raving Loonies as they will be unable to out looney the major parties.

It's not just Boris Johnson it's Jeremy Corbin too . I'm afraid parliament is acting like a load of spoilt brats . They will never agree on anything . I know that I rather have Boris Johnson in charge than that slimey Jeremy Corbin . I mean what is that Diane Abbott doing there , she can't get anything right and doesn't bring anything to the party . Labour wonder why there a laughing stock , they have no chance all the time Jeremy Corbin and Diane Abbott are involved .

JohnD what about (those MPs who represent constituencies that voted heavily in favour of Remain? Are they given permission to ignore their wishes?

Explained well here

www.facebook.com/ITVPeston/videos/2279379185506624/

and by Anna Soubry today in the House. Regular death threats for them but also their children, partners, family - with the regular 'ah we have researched you, we know where you live' and so on, day in, day out.

Are you saying Jane, that all they needed to do to avoid this, was to vote for Mrs May's Deal and be done with it- against their convictions. As Anna said today, women in future will be too scared to go into politics. Both my daughters have begged me not to attend the March in October- as they are too scared I could get hurt.

Yes, no nursery- the rise of Dictatorship indeed.

To get it straight though.....he did not know it was breaking any laws ( remember, this has never been ‘judged’ before)
It’s a big constitutional moment, as for the future, any MP’s can now take things before the courts (Westminster decisions.)
Secondly, he did say that although he thought it was wrong for courts to intervene in political matters, he would abide by
The ruling.
That being the case, an apology was not necessary.

Climate change, a large number of politicians who are out for their own ends, religious issues, rising tensions in the Middle East and people who shout the loudest seeming always getting their way. What a time to be alive...

I think some of you should try living in a real dictatorship.

No-one is above the law - that is the point at stake here. Once a Prime Minister is allowed to think that he can thumb his nose at the judiciary, he has been allowed to believe that he is God.

Posters have often been criticised for reminding people of the rise of Naziism and Hitler's appalling dictatorship, but anyone who can't see the shadow of that creeping over us is mesmerised by sheer showmanship and blaguery.

First a vulnerable country. Germany was vulnerable as a result of the first world war, the reparations and the destruction of industries, and a sense that they were looked down on. The UK is vulnerable as a result of the failure of the policy of tightening the belt, which was supposed to pull us out of widespread world problems, but wasn't working.

Second, the need to blame non-nationals for all tribulations -in Germany foreign workers "taking our jobs", waves of asylum seekers arriving from troubled countries, the dilution of national identity as a result, in the Uk all these, plus the right of movement to and from othe EU countries bringing in skilled workers from across the channel (the chance for the British to work on the continent as freely as in Britain doesn't seem to have registered with everyone)

Then the argument about space - lebensraum in Germany, "too many people" in the UK.

Many reasons why there is unrest around.

Then arises a "national saviour!"who harnesses the unrest and puts a focus on it - Make Germany as great as it used to be! or Make America Great again! or Free Britain from the chains of the EU! They have the orating skills to move crowds, the deviousness to promise anything to get the voters behind them and fulfil their wish for power, the ruthlessness to throw opponents, competitors and doubting colleagues alike under the wheels of the juggernaut of their vaulting ambition.

The judiciary (guardians of the nation's legal framework and hence moral code) calls them to account and pronounces that they are over-stepping their authority - in Germany the judiciary are denounced as "enemies of the people" and replaced with Nazi party members, in the UK last night we saw how little respect our Prime Minister has for our independent legal system.

Extremists are encouraged to attack minorities with impunity, public money is spent in dubious ways, members of the cabinet make millions speculating on sterling while the trading future of the country is in the balance, the head of state is manoevred into granting permission for a devious attempt to avoid the scrutiny of Parliament while a constitutional emergency is under way.

Buster- I am NO fan of Jeremy, and I would not vote for hm to become PM - but I am afraid, today of all days- I have to say that Corbyn's behaviour in the Commons yesterday was calm, collected- and despite being goaded and riled, and mocked ... he stayed calm and responded very well.

Bercow admonished the House today - saying both sides behaved very badly - for balance and good measure. But I am sure he knew very well who he was really addressing - those who used terrible language and even used Jo Cox despicably and disgustingly- and they were all on the same side- and mainly in the front row. Shame.

As said yesterday- the whole world is watching and shaking their head in total condemnation and disbelief

For goodness sake Elegran ! Am surprised that you are going down this rather hysterical road with the others I must say.
Could we give Nazi Germany a rest.

I believe the next step is going to be to change the law itself so that the government may prorogue and/or call an election any time. This will mean that if it comes to court in future the law will clearly support the prorogation and the judges would not in future be able to rule against it. After all, parliament makes the laws that judges uphold

Bercow was simply speaking the truth jura !
Bad behaviour came from all sides of the house.

Its absurd to talk as though we believe that all 650 MPs are corrupt, deceitful, incompetent and out only for their own advantage.
All this is new and deliberately fuelled by those who find themselves in a jam and are trying to get out of it by blaming everyone else. The behaviour we saw last night was inexcusable.
Deliberately turning the general population against parliament, which appears to be the aim, is very dangerous. Mob Rule anyone?

JohnD, we have a general election every 4 years because the situation of the country changes and people change their minds. This is what makes a democracy, imperfect as it is, so much better than a dictatorship. People can change their minds and vote in a different government based on the responses of each political party to the issues of the day.

Why then are you worried about having a second referendum now that people have a better idea of what Brexit entails? There is strong evidence that Remain would now gain a majority, so isn't it better to have a vote on it to ensure that the current will of the people is respected?

I hope your quotes around the word dictator don't refer to my OP. I did not say that Johnson was a dictator, I only implied that he and the country have crossed a line on to a slippery slope. It is in Johnson's hands to take himself and us off it.

I believe that is the intention ReadyMeals. It's actually quite scary that laws can be changed to suit the government of the day and sets a terrifying precendent.

It is said that Hitler never broke the law - he just changed it.

Power in this country lies in Parliament with the acceptance of the electorate. The executive with parliamentary permission govern.

This power is confined within the rule of law. Our courts are guardians of the rule of law.

If the executive or parliament act outside of the rule of law, the electorate can resort to the courts who guards them from an overweening government.

This is what has happened.

I am saddened to see the events in Parliament yesterday, however I am puzzled by the background leading up to these events.
When Boris Johnson campaigned for us to leave the EU his central message was for the UK to “take back control” by supporting the supremacy of the UK Parliament - the right for that Parliament to be the supreme law-maker. However when that Parliament made a law which he didn't agree with (an extension in the event of a no-deal) he prorogued it unlawfully without the necessary justification. Is his belief that Parliament IS supreme (as promoted in his Leave campaign) or it ISN'T supreme (so he can wipe it out until he achieves his objectives)? If he doesn’t believe in Parliamentary Supremacy then his entire Leave campaign was founded on a deliberate lie.
The Supreme Court decision upholds the supremacy of Parliament -not just a Parliament which does the bidding of a current Prime Minister. Whatever you think of of the actions of the current Parliament our democracy would be weakened if we didn’t allow it to do its job

No lemongrove Nazi Germany should be a lesson to us all. What happened should never be forgotten.

We are tring to avoid getting a real dictatorship to live under. They don't spring up ready-made, they develop, starting with a demagogue ranting to a dissatisfied population about what is wrong with the country, getting them behind him and acting on the hatred he has inspired, smothering and ignoring the legal system that would keep him under control, and assuming more and more power.

lemon 'For goodness sake Elegran ! Am surprised that you are going down this rather hysterical road with the others I must say.
Could we give Nazi Germany a rest.'

no comment apart that this is sick.

You're right DiWI, but it's not how the sorry episode will be spun by the government and its lapdog media.

The agenda is "Parliament vs the people". How many people really understand what's going on? They just see it as thwarting a so-called "democratic vote". Unfortunately, such people have a very superficial understanding.

Absolutely spot on Elegran.

If we had M.Ps who had agreed to the deal Theresa May brokered we wouldn't be in this position now.As a nation we voted to leave Europe,you may not agree,but it was a democratic decision.There was no mention of a deal when we voted and we just expected to leave.Just get on with it.All M.Ps have their own agenda and do not respect the electorate.

Lemongrove - your response to Elegran's erudite and apposite post only serves to reinforce the truth of what she and others have said, that the Germans didn't see the danger of what was happening in their country as most people in this country don't see what could happen here.

The scenes in Parliament were indeed unedifying, but the core issue is the Prime Minister's refusal to accept the law of the land where it stands in the way of his vision. We must not lose sight of that - it is profoundly significant.

CarrieAnn- we have explained why, again and again, and with evidence attached, why this vote was NOT democratic. Really can't go over this again.

We are talking now about the behaviour and language used, in general and yesterday in HoC- that Johnson and co are using.
BTW did you read about the propaganda sent to Primary Schools recently? Propaganda with children and schools is very much akin to 1933 Germany.