Why are "Leavers" so angry?

The biggest factor is the revenue to the exchequer that is generated.

I hope you didn’t infer that was my position Elegran

I totally admire gillybob and her husband. They are indeed morally admirable and care deeply for the well being of their ‘lads’.

I’m sure juggling all the concepts of running a business is hard. I for one couldn’t do it (I’d be too anxious of it failing for starters - I’m no entrepreneur). But they manage it and huge kudos to them.

My earlier point was more focussed on small business owners who try to capitalise on loopholes and don’t treat their employees as fairly as the gillybobs

They are the ones I think ‘ought you to have a business then dear?’ Especially if the State (us taxpayers) pick up the slack from their tight-fistedness over wages!!

MaizieD
Have you heard of remittances?
Where diaspora send most of their earnings home?
It is what many overseas workers do.
Where whole families relocate to the EU, then yes some of the earnings do go back into the economy, however do the taxes in equal or better the benefit out?

But not always WWmk2 The biggest factor is the revenue to the exchequer that is generated ..... if the taxpayer is topping up the low wages by providing necessary benefits for a decent wage that must surely cancel out some of the revenue to the exchequer.

Urmstongran
Yes, a big bug bear of mine - in work benefits. Not that I begrudge those that need them being paid.
Its that they should not be needed. Employers should be made to pay reasonable living wages. The tax payer should not be supporting business this way.

Who mentionned pension age recently- as one reason to Leave the EU. IDS has announced he is planning to raise it, after Brexit to 75 (over a period of time)

Yes Joelsnan 'Have you heard of remittances?
Where diaspora send most of their earnings home?
It is what many overseas workers do.'

this is what British expats do all over the EU. Save to buy a house back in the UK, support kids living back home still with parents (with my higher child allowances than in UK for sure), they go home regularly to buy clothes and all sorts to bring back, or order on line. There are fleets of white vans coming back and forth to France delivering goods of all types bought on line in UK by expats. Many do anything they can to spend as little money as possible locally.

And when they become unemployed, even if by choice- they get paid 80% of salary for 2 years, with free training, support, language and IT courses, etc. etc.

Jura
Yes, I know, I worked abroad for a number of years.

However, what most Brits do when they move to the EU is buy run down houses that locals wouldn't buy. Get the white vans to take B & Q kitchens flat packed and do up the properties to better than locals standard.
They mainly spend their money in the local economies. Yes some do order HP sauce and PG tips from home. No matter where you live a few home comforts are welcome.
I know there were cheers all around when sunblest bread was found in a supermarket in the UAE.

I suppose some of the diaspora have historic links with the UK due to the Commonwealth and the Empire.

jura2
How many Brits work in the French economy? how many are self employed and how many are retirees. I think you will find the majority have little no impact on the french workforce or benefits system. All have to take our medical insurance too.

As I predicted:

Have you heard of remittances?
Where diaspora send most of their earnings home?

Yes, I did mention that. And wondered just how much money leaves the economy because of it. Do you have any figures, Joelsnan?

Also noted that it isn't only EU workers who do it. Shall we vote against belonging to the rest of the world because of it?

Also, does anyone have any figures for the amount of money EU workers get from in work benefits?

It strikes me that there are a number of hypotheticals being aired here...

MaizieD
I think if you read further up the thread you will understand the context of remittances

I perfectly understand the context of the 'remittances', Joelsnan. It's something which has been going on for along, long time.

However, it was mentioned as an 'assertion'. I was just wondering what the evidence was to back it up.

MaizieD
It benefits the British economy because it is, on the whole, spent into the British economy. Benefits don't just disappear into a big lack hole; they are spent into the economy.

My question about remittances was in response to your comment in the above paragraph. No it doesn't go into a black hole and no it is not all spent in the UK economy. Apparently in 2018 more than £8 billion were sent as remittances worldwide from the UK, resulting in it being the fourth largest source of remittances Pakistan and Nigeria being the highest recipients.
By the way, I have not stated at any point that the remittances were only an EU issue.
FYI:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46223217

Now this truly IS shocking.

The Tory party conference is here in Manchester. This banner was put up on a bridge in Salford, ten minutes drive away, today.

And, Ug, it was promptly ordered to be removed by the Labour Mayor of Manchester.

Bet that doesn't make front page news or the BBC.

Could be they are ++++++ sorry lemon grove by the remain crowd constantly twittering they don't know which side their bread is buttered.

Johnson just has naked ambition and takes whatever stance he thinks will further his personal ambition

You know if I wrote

"Corbyn just has naked ambition and takes whatever stance he thinks will further his ambition"

Many, many people would agree, including major political commentators who have questioned why Corbyn, this most prominent Eurosceptic, for all of his political career, has done a complete u turn on his long held principles.

Corbyn is the supreme hypocrite. Pot, kettle, black as they say.

The left wing in action Urms.

Violent, and full of hatred. Disgraceful.

Bet that doesn't make front page news or the BBC

Indeed. I'd put money on that Firecracker.

The news is more skewed and biased than ever before.

I know MaizieD Andy Burnham is a decent man.

It’s the fact it was put up at all. You can’t fix stupid.

sarahellenwhitney ?
Sorry, am at a loss to understand your last post.

*The left wing in action Urms.

Violent, and full of hatred. Disgraceful*

How many people do you think did this? Let's assume it was a maximum of 20. Does it therefore follow that anybody to the left is violent and full of hate?

The way things are heading the whole left/right thing is in flux.