Why are "Leavers" so angry?

It's the Remainers not the Leavers that are angry and bitter doing everything in their power to stop Brexit. I would be ecstatically happy if we left on the 31st October 2019 and I'm sure 17.4 million and counting would be as well.

our contemporary views of the relationship between wealth and the wealth creators when it comes to the division of 'profit' and entitlement to monetary reward

And yet you want to remain in the EU, the very institution which relies on a migrant workforce of low paid workers?

No wonder big business wants to remain. A unionised workforce is one which will not kowtow to unfair practices and wages. Migrant workers cannot belong to a Union given the free movement policy of the EU.

Low skilled workers are servile and do not benefit from the huge profits bosses make as a result of their cheap labour. You surely must be aware that the EU is a bastion of capitalism and that most outspoken socialists - like Corbyn - are well aware of the knock-on effect of permanently low wages?

We talk often of poorly paid and seasonal EU workers in the UK. People desperate for work often accept a pittance and the EU fans the flames of austerity.

The EU was set up as a capitalist trading bloc—and it will remain so. Membership of the EU depends on sticking to its pro-market policies

So, for instance, even though an EU country could own a single rail company, rules demanding market competition mean it could never nationalise the entire industry.

The truth is that everything the EU does is in the interests of big business and the bosses

The above from The Socialist Worker.

Yes, Firecracker, one has to wonder if the fight to remain in the EU is mainly from the moneyed middle classes, and to hell with the poorest?

The number of Leave voters is growing by the day. Everyone I speak to, Remainer or Leaver is contemptuous of our Remainer Parliament trying to overthrow democracy.

I really do not know how people like Corbyn, a professed socialist, can sleep at night.

Does it therefore follow that anybody to the left is violent and full of hate?

Any more than those men filmed brandishing pictures of gallows at pro-Brexit demos are fully representative of the far right... I think Leavers would say that they are just a few isolated cases

As I recall, a similar banner was put up at the last tory conference. It's horrific, whoever does it, but not indicative of the feelings of the majority.

It is just not true that all our MPs voted to invoke Article 50.

SNP, Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats opposed the bill, while 47 Labour MPs and Tory ex-chancellor Ken Clarke rebelled.

I tried to encourage a sensible discussion by mentioning WOODMOUSE's link. WOODMOUSE supports Leave, so it's not exactly an anti-Brexit rant and it contains some sound research-based fact and opinion.

Alas, it seems that those who voted to leave the EU prefer to carry on their point scoring and angry ranting. [sigh]

Ehh? Where on earth do you get the idea that the number of Leavers is growing by the day? Have you been on a course is spreading Trumpian Fake News?

The SW has always been against the EU because they see it as the ultimate capitalist organisation. There is a tiny number of Marxists who support this.

Since when have you supported Marxism Day6?

growstuff
Alas, it seems that those who voted to leave the EU prefer to carry on their point scoring and angry ranting. [sigh]

Please validate this statement with examples.

That will be difficult Joelsnan because there aren’t any!

Day 6 What a lot of unsubstatiated rubbish you post about the migrant workforce, low pay and the EU.
Low pay in the UK is massively influenced by the presence of zero hours contracts which are banned in some EU country and severely restricted in others.
As for union membership there is a network of support for migrant workers across the EU www.etuc.org/en/issue/union-migrant-network

One of the Marxists who supports what The Socialist Worker wrote is Jeremy Corbyn.Not that you would know it at the moment ( keen to get into number10) but it has always been his belief and why he has been against the EU for forty years.

What a lot of unsubstatiated rubbish you post about the migrant workforce, low pay and the EU

I suggest you bother the *Socialist Worker( then - and the socialists responsible for that left wing publication might put you straight.

Leaving the EU has always been a left wing cause - not a middle class moneyed one, as it is now. (Ask Corbyn and McDonnell etc.)

Well if that is your only response I shall regard my argument as won and your 19.33 post as largely untrue and unprovable.

growstuff
Yes I read the link that*woodmouse*. Posted and saw many similarities with Mansfield and the place I am living now.
I agree with much of his findings however I think he missed a big point which is given the opportunity these communities could thrive. They are of hardworking stock, there are people who, given a bit of financial help and guidance would generate work for themselves and others there are very many innovative folk. The researcher misses out on this and seems to focus on the potential loss of funding which currently comes via EU whilst ignoring home grown potential and commercial potential in the wider world.

Leaving the EU is, and always was, a project of hedge fund billionaires, ex-patriot newspaper proprietors and foreign governments who want to de-stabilise the West by weakening the EU.

The main weapon of these evil forces was to indoctrinate the impoverished, hard-done-by folk into thinking that the EU was the cause of their impoverishment and brexit was the answer.

Since they control the media, that has not been too difficult to achieve.

Exactly lemon.

I remember our local socialist coming out in force with their banners years ago, decrying the capitalist EU and the way in which it kept the poorest workers down.

Bob Crow, a leading union man always spoke out against the EU.

Socialists have always been anti EU, but I get the feeling now that remainers tend to be the people removed from ordinary life as it is lived. They are moneyed in the main and from academia and their voting cred is at stake.

The fact that slimy Tony Blair and the loathe some Branson are remainers says it all.

Brexit will not fit in long grass anymore.

Day6 IMP there are far too many Remainers to be "moneyed in the main and from academia". About 1.2 million of the population earn over £100,000. (2016 figures) The number of academics working in Universities was just under 195,000 in 2015. So, you are talking about less than 1.5 million people. (I've used 2015 and 2016 figures because it's too much trouble at this time of night to look further but I doubt that more up to date figures would be significantly different)

So, the vast majority of Remainers are not as you described.

What do you mean by voting cred?

day6 so what does the fact that lying and law-avoiding BJ )to mention a cople) and disrespectful JR-M sprawling across the HoC bebches say about leavers?

humptydumpty
what does the fact that lying and law-avoiding BJ )to mention a cople) and disrespectful JR-M sprawling across the HoC bebches say about leavers?

It says nothing because leave voters are more concerned with policies rather than personalities.
For every lying, slouching leave MP there is an equally odious remain MP so all the ‘he said/she said, he did/she did’ is pointless and now boring.

Which policies?

I've not seen any Remain MPs sprawling on the green benches like the disrepectful Mogg

TheEU was set up to promote peace and co-operation between European nations and end the animosity that led to three major European wars in the 70 years before 1945. In the 75 years since then, there has not been one major European conflict. Peace and co-operation between nations is what the EU was set up for and still has as its prime motive.

I was interested to read some recent research by the London School of Economics that showed that extremely old people, those 80 and over who remembered the last war, were far more likely to vote Remain than Leave and the reason they gave for doing so was the contribution the EU has made to European peace and that, unlike their parents and grandparents, they had lived all but the earliest years of their lives without having to fight or see their children and grandchildren have to go to war.

MostLeavers are between the ages of 50 - 75.

varian...especially for you.