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Johnson and the Civil Contingencies Act

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GracesGranMK3 Sun 29-Sept-19 04:28:23

Increasingly MPs across the House of Commons believe Downing Street is considering using the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, which grants special powers in the event of a national emergency, as a way to override the so-called Benn act, which mandates the prime minister to seek a delay to Brexit if no deal has been struck with Brussels by 19 October.

While there is any chance that this is what Johnson and the Brexit Bullies in parliament and in the media are trying to do I am off this forum and any other social media where his followers can try and increase the tension. It explains the pseudo anger as far as I am concerned and if silence is the only answer for the time being - so be it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-invoke-civil-emergency-powers-brexit-deal

crystaltipps Sun 29-Sept-19 15:09:04

Plenty of dictators have gained the public vote in elections.

ayse Sun 29-Sept-19 15:18:02

Hitler gained his Chancellorship via the electoral process, support from business, aristocracy and much double dealing. He finished it off by getting the Bundestag to cede him executive powers with no recourse to the electorate.

It’s all very worrying to me, to see our society disintegrating under our noses.

Currently, I’d like to see a deal or remain. I believe no deal is a disaster that will overcome us all. I hope I’m wrong.

Urmstongran Sun 29-Sept-19 15:22:07

I’d like it to be No Deal or Remain (now).

It’s ridiculous to compare Boris to Hitler. I’m not even going to join in with that one!

jura2 Sun 29-Sept-19 15:24:52

crystaltips: 'Who are these promised pro Brexit rioters going to be targeting? Anyone foreign? Female MPs? Judges? Chilling.'

you may be aware that 2 large anti-Brexit marches are due to take place in London, on 12th and mainly on 19th. I believe they are trying to scare people from attending, espcially those with families, etc. It would be very 'simple' to get EDL/BF + Brexit Party support to create a dangerous situation. sad

growstuff Sun 29-Sept-19 15:28:02

It's not ridiculous to compare the political manipulation of parliament with what happened to the Reichstag in 1932/3. There are very striking parallels.

MaizieD Sun 29-Sept-19 15:28:09

It’s ridiculous to compare Boris to Hitler.

Two 'popular' dictators who sprang to mind, Ug. I'm sure I could find more if required...

Joelsnan Sun 29-Sept-19 15:29:04

Aren't the anti-brexit marches an incitement to violence?
A show of disregard for democracy.

jura2 Sun 29-Sept-19 15:30:40

Yes he is Urmstongran 'He’s still very popular though ain’t he?'

and that is the seriously worrying thing about what is happening in the UK currently. He would still win an election from prison - they say. So popular with people who have been shouting about getting our Sovereign Laws back - and yet will condone someone who is clearly prepared to by-Pass our Sovereign Parliament, and our Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy- possible again, and against our own Sovereign Law. To get something that will hurt us all, put our country at risk and make us vassals and at the beck and call of Trump and others.

Firecracker123 Sun 29-Sept-19 15:30:44

Lordy lordy I shouldn't laugh lol but can't help myself I have a vision of the OP holed up in a bunker somewhere, she's started a riot with her thread and scared herself witless. ?

growstuff Sun 29-Sept-19 15:31:40

Hitler did court the public vote. That's why there are parallels with Germany rather than (say) Russia or China. The Nazis actually gained power through lawful means. By the time most Germans woke up to what was actually happening beneath their noses, it was too late.

jura2 Sun 29-Sept-19 15:32:03

No Joelsnan- marches so far have been calm, in good humour- and 100% in harmony with our Laws. Which 'democracy' are you talking about btw? Mob rule?

growstuff Sun 29-Sept-19 15:32:48

No, no, no … It's Faragist's mob who see themselves holed up in a bunker, while others start riots grin

growstuff Sun 29-Sept-19 15:33:14

Ooops … the Faragist mob (typo)

Urmstongran Sun 29-Sept-19 15:41:18

Well While there is any chance that this is what Johnson and the Brexit Bullies in parliament and in the media are trying to do I am off this forum and any other social media where his followers can try and increase the tension. It explains the pseudo anger as far as I am concerned and if silence is the only answer for the time being - so be it.

Faux outrage I think here GGmk3

I bet you’ve gone on a cruise with poor internet access and when you return, you’ll have a nice tan and a new name.

Either that, or with all the Brexit postings your ironing has built up to mammoth proportions and you’ve resolved to tackle it!
?

Dinahmo Sun 29-Sept-19 15:42:19

Urm That's funny - I thought that Benn was shorter than Surrender.

The new catch phrases were introduced last week - "Surrender Act", "What people are Saying" , "the British people want us to move on" and "Get Brexit Done" Most of them used several times this morning in Johnson's interview with Andrew Marr, when he refused to answer the questions but merely repeated the above phrases.

No doubt these will go the same way as "Take back control" and "sovereignty". As most of us know, we've been a sovereign nation for hundreds of years and have always had control over our own laws.

I live in hope that the new catch phrases will soon bite the dust.

Firecracker123 Sun 29-Sept-19 15:45:59

Another one brainwashed by the EU.

absthame Sun 29-Sept-19 15:46:38

I think Growstuff that both are correct.

Urmstongran Sun 29-Sept-19 15:47:37

Fair point Dinahmo advantage you.
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humptydumpty Sun 29-Sept-19 15:51:09

Firecracker another one brainwashed by cummings/Johnson/Farage..

absthame Sun 29-Sept-19 15:53:28

Anything is better than being brainwashed by the unholy trio of Johnson, Grove and Farage [Firecracker123]

Firecracker123 Sun 29-Sept-19 15:54:04

Touche ?

Joelsnan Sun 29-Sept-19 15:56:05

jura2
Well it does appear the remain voters are resorting to mob rule. The vast majority of leavers (and quite a few remain voters) see these as anti democracy rallies and yawn inducing and nothing more.
So popular with people who have been shouting about getting our Sovereign Laws back - and yet will condone someone who is clearly prepared to by-Pass our Sovereign Parliament, and our Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy- possible again, and against our own Sovereign Law
If Parliaments recent actions had not been to pervert the lawful enactment of the withdrawal bill there certainly would be no need to try and circumvent the mad house formerly known as The House of Commons.
It must be like trying to reason with goldfish. They say something one minute then forget and contradict thenselves straight away . The HOC voted unanimously to invoke A50 and majority are on film stating that the referendum result should be upheld. At that time they were supposedly the people ‘in the know’. Maybe their millionaire backers started turning the screws to make them suddenly change their minds?

jura2 Sun 29-Sept-19 15:59:14

Urmstongran 'Faux outrage I think here GGmk3

I bet you’ve gone on a cruise with poor internet access and when you return, you’ll have a nice tan and a new name.'

how infantile and unpleasant. And makes me totally understand how GGmk3 is feeling. Been out today having lunch in the mountains with some of the nicest young people in the world and OH - and I told them about GN and how unpleasant and polarised it has become. And it was their advice - their conclusion. Best to opt for silence rather than continue to inflamme.

So I am not going on a cruise, and the suntan I recently got in Italy is fast fading- but I am joining you GG x

Urmstongran Sun 29-Sept-19 16:05:47

Severe loss of any perspective on this thread. It was a joke.
Remember those?

‘Humbug’ to quote somebody ...

Urmstongran Sun 29-Sept-19 16:09:36

Oh jura you are leaving GN too?

I don’t believe this. At this rate, the political threads will become an echo chamber for Leavers ....

Now there’s a thought!