Gransnet forums

News & politics

New hospitals anyone

(117 Posts)
ayse Sun 29-Sep-19 10:48:48

Just caught a bit of Andrew Marr this morning. Apparently Boris is promising new hospitals. After the last PFI debacle with the Blair government, I wonder who is going to be in line for making mega bucks this time?

I’d rather any monies were spent on providing enough qualified staff for the hospitals we already have and ensuring urgent problems were dealt with.

We can’t find the staff for existing hospitals nor for social care so why have more?

midgey Sun 29-Sep-19 10:52:43

Chicken and egg?

LondonGranny Sun 29-Sep-19 10:56:58

I don't understand how PFI works and as with anything financial you don't understand it's often smoke and mirrors that doesn't benefit anyone but the moneymen. Perhaps, bearing in mind how financially crippling PFI deals have been to the NHS, the answers is to give hospitals a clean slate.

jura2 Sun 29-Sep-19 10:57:02

exactly - where are they going to find the staff? And what sort of 'status' will those have - run by Trump and co?

growstuff Sun 29-Sep-19 11:01:46

My area is one of the trusts promised a new hospital. The one we have has long been known for being totally inadequate.

I'll be keeping an eye on any local news about this. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the idea is for it be run by an American company.

ayse Sun 29-Sep-19 11:07:50

I’d love to give hospitals a clean slate with enough staff to do the job properly. Unfortunately in the current climate I just can’t see it happening. All the so called improvements in recent years has led to more difficulties in seeing your GP, longer waiting lists, lack of staff including in the the ancillary services.

All this talk is just electioneering nonsense.

Firecracker123 Sun 29-Sep-19 11:12:40

If Corbyn or the hideous Jo Swinson promised new hospitals the Remainers would think it wonderful.

EllanVannin Sun 29-Sep-19 11:29:30

Nothing wrong with the existing ones ! Perhaps new management in some areas is all that's needed and above all extra staff and for goodness sake pay them what they're worth. Where would we be without them ? There should be a monetary incentive to encourage more to join the NHS. It's a good place to work !!

There's always room for improvement and machines etc aren't built to last considering the volume of people who visit hospitals so any available money would be better spent on replacing worn out monitors/x-ray equipment and the like.

I wouldn't vote for anyone who was going to " break eggs with a big stick ".It's a phoney way of giving out the wrong information ( lies ) to the masses.
I'm a Remainer who doesn't want to see or hear about any " new " buildings, just vast improvements on the existing ones including schools.

EllanVannin Sun 29-Sep-19 11:32:12

Look how many millions have been spent so far on HS2 ? For what ?? It's utterly obscene.

Daisymae Sun 29-Sep-19 11:32:14

Yes, many hospitals have problems filling vacancies. It's also worth remembering that this government has brought the NHS to its knees

Grandad1943 Sun 29-Sep-19 11:34:34

Ah, the Tories are about to "shake the magic money tree again." That in the past has been reserved for buying the support of the DUP party following Theresa May's disastrous attempt to wipe out the Labour Party in the unnecessary 2017 General Election.

So while all the rest of us have suffered years of austerity, the Democratic Unionists have been greatly enriched without even having to take their seats in the Northern Irish Stormont assembly.

These hospital plans are completely uncosted along with all the other "jam tomorrow" plans that will be announced this week.

If this was the Labour Party making such announcements the right wing press would be "up in arms" with two foot high headlines of condemnation. However, with the Tories, those press owners from their tax havens think these announcements are wonderfull.

Could it be there is a self-serving alternative consideration in their attitude?

jura2 Sun 29-Sep-19 11:34:54

Firecracker - could you tell me where they will find the staff- from top Consultants, to nurses and cleaning staff, and everything in between. And cut immigration?

paddyann Sun 29-Sep-19 11:35:29

we've had two fabulous new hospitals ...or at least until the miastakes the contracters made came to light .One thats really late opening in Edinburgh and one in Glasgow with problems although it has been open for about 3 years now.Seems getting contrcters who can do the job is a major issue,after the Carillion fiasco we might have hoped the Scottish government had measures in place to get everything double checked ....though I dont know who could be trusted to check!!
To be fair not opening the hospital at Little France until next year is a wise move as my friend whose son regularly spends time in the old hospital says she's rather he had continuous treatment than be moved from pillar to post ,now of course the rush of staff heading for home is leaving another problem thats difficult to solve .

dragonfly46 Sun 29-Sep-19 11:38:38

Gosh he must have a pot of gold. Isn't he going to give us all tax cuts as well.
BTW I am a remainer but do not like Swinson or Corbin so they can say what they like.

EllanVannin Sun 29-Sep-19 11:41:40

The Carillion fiasco with the Liverpool Royal is one that BJ obviously doesn't recognise as being part of this country !! It was left, a shell and flooded out. An utter disgrace.
I swear that the man isn't right in the head.

Fennel Sun 29-Sep-19 11:48:42

As I've said before, I suspect the American insurance companies are behind this. ie have offered to help finance as long as they get a good cut of the profits.

aprilrose Sun 29-Sep-19 11:50:22

could you tell me where they will find the staff- from top Consultants, to nurses and cleaning staff, and everything in between. And cut immigration?

I do not wish to be controversial but maybe they could try the current unemployed? Where I live we have a good number of unemployed people , some of them would even like to get jobs if the chance arose. I know many who have tried for jobs in the NHS. I even know a couple of nurses who applied for roles they were well suited to. They are now working in other medical sectors.

This is just my experience. My husband applied for several jobs in the NHS . He is a skilled tradesman and the jobs required his skills. He got one interview. He didnt get that job.

I was later told by a friend who worked in the local hospital group that there was a method they used for selecting candidates. They had to apply diversity and equality rules which meant they needed to look at individuals from protected categories first. My husband didnt qualify for any of those.

Apparently he got an interview because someone thought our odd name put him in a category. When they saw him he didnt fit.

But that is life. It doesnt matter he has another job now where the employer looked at what he could do, what his experience was and how well he spoke English rather than diversity rules. That is just my experience, please do not jump down my throat for saying it.

lemongrove Sun 29-Sep-19 11:58:53

Who can deny that improving existing infrastructure and building new hospitals for a growing population can be wrong?
Mat Hancock has said it will be funded by taxation ( so definitely not PFI) which is good.

growstuff Sun 29-Sep-19 12:00:25

Not selling off cottage hospitals and parts of the NHS estate might be a start.

lemongrove Sun 29-Sep-19 12:01:22

Over the next five years it will be improving existing hospitals, the new ones are a long term prospect, so there is plenty of time to find new staff world wide.

Marilla Sun 29-Sep-19 12:06:28

Existing hospitals are short of staff, therefore I’m not sure how we are going to fill the vacancies which would arise.
A fabulous new specialist hospital has opened in a nearby county and they are desperate for staff.

There are also hospitals crying out for better scanning equipment and the latest technologies and it’s falling on deaf ears.

Yes, some hospital sites are not fit for purpose, but give existing ones the badly needed resources.

Finally end the ridiculous post code lottery for treatments and medicine.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Sep-19 12:07:41

Who actually believes this?

Johnson needs the northern working class vote for Brexit, so there will be plenty of this sort of thing to attract their vote.

40 new hospitals. Already shown to be a lie. It is actually 6 and some of those are planned to be refurbishing old hospitals.

Still the headline is enough to fool those who haven’t got their thinking cap on.

Give me a break,. They have spent the last 10 year running the NHS down.

dragonfly46 Sun 29-Sep-19 12:08:15

How is he raising enough in taxation? He is talking about tax cuts. I would readily pay more in taxation if I thought it was going to be spent on care for the elderly and the NHS but he has not mentioned tax increases.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Sep-19 12:11:04

I wish the BBC would stop regurgitating so called facts before checking them.

Alex Wickham
@alexwickham
·
The BBC has deleted a tweet/story repeating the Tories' claim that they are building 40 new hospitals as per CCHQ press release... story now says it's just six hospitals

Whitewavemark2 Sun 29-Sep-19 12:13:57

Straight from the horses mouth.

Rachel Clarke
@doctor_oxford
Look. The swiftest way to alienate & demoralise NHS staff is to spin outlandish nonsense at us. You know full well these aren’t “new” hospitals. Refurbishments & upgrades in marginal constituencies, sure. But this spinning is so corrosive to trust & morale. Please don’t 😔