bloody whinging royals

Think about it

No. Really. Don't.

Find something in your own life to think about.

When they got together they flew from America to Africa for a holiday but didn’t go to Mexico for Harry to meet Mr Markle.

But Gonegirl, we are ALL thinking about it aren’t we? Including you! Otherwise we wouldn’t be on this thread at all. Given that we are thinking about it and discussing it, it’s fair comment to ask why has Harry NEVER met his father in law. It’s simply not normal. Why has the father been told he will never see his grandchild? How cruel is that? Is this father a serial abuser of young children? Is he a convicted murderer? He has made mistakes, but he is not a bad man. Why should he never see his grandchild?

Actually it reflects very badly on Harry, that he didn’t think Mr Markle was important enough to even meet before the marriage. What did Meghan tell Harry that somehow made this acceptable?

OMG The stuff posted on this thread almost makes me feel sorry for them and I despise the RF!
But can I point out a few things. Firstly none of you actually know these people. Secondly not very long ago there were comments like this being made about Charles and sometimes Camilla. Thirdly if you don't like them stop reading and watching things about them.
Oh and some of you might consider that while you are all being distracted by your obsessions with how awful MM and Harry are Prince Andrew has quietly slipped into the background

I didn’t watch the Africa documentary on Sunday.

I feel sorry for Harry too.

trisher Monday 15:16

I agree; set them up on a pedestal then start knocking them down again seems to be a trait of the British, encouraged by the media which loves nothing more.
The same has happened with Sarah Ferguson and others.

Although I believe in the stability of ana-political monarchy which is where we disagree, I think that what the Scandinavians hafe done is a good way forward.
Is it the Swedish RF which has removed the title of Prince or Princess from all but those in the direct line of succession to the throne? That leaves others free to pursue their own path in life, freed from the burdens and restrictions those titles bring.

Self-correct!!

An apolitical

Callistemon removing the title of prince or princess was carried out here some time ago. The Queen has 8 great grandchildren, 3 have the titles , they are in direct line to the throne.

I think that they were not given the titles in the first place, Annie whereas the Swedish RF have actually removed the title of Prince and Princess from those who already had them
Eg Princesses Beatrice, Eugenie etc and Prince Harry and others would lose their titles.
Only Prince Charles and his descendants would retain them.

Callistemon, there is a big difference in the ages of the grandchildren of the Swedish grandchildren and the British grandchildren. And Sweden’s royals are 3 generations , the U.K. 4 generations.

The five great grandchildren of the Queen were not given titles because they had no right to those titles.

Great post Trisher, I was just about to post a rant, but you have
said what I hope many of us agree with.

It So reminds me of the village I grew up in , 1 ounce of truth & cupful of whatever pops into your head. Result equals a pot of S- - T

I agree about the controlling thing. Can you imagine if Tim Lawrence had behaved in the same way with a Princess Anne - finishing her sentences, rubbing her back, telling the press what he’d told A?!

Sirchenjin ?. I can hear her now. I wonder what she thinks of this pair. I quite like Anne.

Anne is very protective of her parents and her extended family, she will not be pleased with the tv interviews.

You’re right trisher no-one knows them and all we can go on is their public personas and the interviews they give - and despite having access to the best PR people in the world they’re getting it very, very wrong. I wonder why?

I didn't watch the documentary but have seen clips. I've read this thread in its entirety, and what's struck me from the clips I've seen and the posts I've read, are the striking similarities between H & M and our ES and his wife.

Only Mr. S. and I were at the their wedding, as at that point in time she'd estranged her parents, and she walked down the isle on her own.

There was a change in ES's body language once they married and this became more noticeable after the birth of our first GC. H appears to be exhibiting the same, going from subdued to almost defeatist.

Sentences being finished by their partner, a look of nervousness when holding his own child. Our ES is now, apart from intermittent contact with his brother, totally estranged from the family he was once extremely close too and spent a lot of time yet. I realise this hasn't happened yet with H but there does seem to be degree of disconnect.

The childhood friends our ES had kept in contact with have long gone and it's his wife's friends who they now socialise with.

I'm sure we all remember H, M, W and K being dubbed the 'fab four' in terms of their charity work before it was announced H & M would be doing their own. Nothing wrong with that of course but the relationships between the 4 of them does seem to be deteriorating all the same.

We cannot imagine what those boys went through when they lost their mother and it's both understandable and believable that H struggles with the constant attention of the press.

That said, is it merely coincidental that since marrying M he talks of his extreme reaction every time he hears the click of a camera, or has he always said so?

What I have seen of M, not read but seen, is like watching our ES's wife; controlling and manipulative.

trisher you posted that you "despise the RF" even though like the rest of us "you don't actually know these people" and then criticise posters who are criticising H & M.

Hypocritical IMO. Yes there are some harsh comments on this thread but, and correct me if I'm wrong, you're the only one who has said you despise the Royal Family.

I don't know if this is ok to do but I read this comment online and totally agree with all of it.
I thought I would add it to the thread. I have written similar but think this goes further and is much better.

"I think she has overplayed her hand with PH but that is what narcissists do to their victims when they don't get instant gratification. MM thought she was going to be Diana 2.0 but she didn't take into account PH was already #6 in line for the throne. We watched her bat her doe eyes at William and Charles multiple times (it had worked for her in the past with men she wanted to manipulate). I think it worked for a time with daddy Charles but Camilla has seen through the game. As a narcissist, MM will continue to escalate until it is too late for PH & the BRF. I suspect PH and MM have serious psychological issues that will never be addressed."

I think Meghan's play as a victim shown in the ITV prog was sickening. They had been guests visiting peoples in S Africa and Angola where there is very real poverty and worse issues...and those folk danced for them they made a happy life while struggling and it was a joy to hear them singing.
Then on comes Meghan with her self centred bleating of no-one asking if she is ok...
I doubt anyone asked those people in Africa if they were ok either.

Isn’t it time to pull the Plug on this thread HQ?

Why??

Why pull the plug on this thread, no one has to post on it or read it. It’s choice.

Good post pinkquartz

Yes Bridgeit why??

Pinkquartz, what an excellent post, it sums up just how I feel about this Meghan and Harry saga. I was happy to hear Harry had at long last found someone he could be happy with, but how wrong I was, he looks more unhappy now than he ever did before, except for that awful day when he was forced to walk behind his beloved mother’s coffin. That was a heartbreaking day, very sad. His grief had to be played out for the whole world to see, and he was only twelve years old.

But over twenty years have passed since then, and he was unfortunate enough to be set up on a blind date with Meghan, a twice married woman (one annullment and one divorce) who had claimed she’d like to marry a rich English man. She appears to have been a disaster for Harry, and as he was well liked prior to Meghan, the public have a right to discuss their disappointment at how events are turning out, whether or not some posters like or dislike this thread.

All the criticism of Meghan is perfectly justified and absolutely true. Smileless has given an excellent description of how controlling people manage to estrange their partners from their families. It describes well what we can see happening to Harry. How very sad it all is.

It seems these two can't do right for ding wrong in some people's eyes.

Imo, these two well meaning young people are genuinely trying to use their undoubted power and influence for good in the world.

There have been some really mean posts on this and the other related thread.

doing, not ding...doh!