For brexiters only please.

A well written and considered post April at 6.24.

I gave chosen not to justify my reasons for wanting to leave as I have found, from experience, it gives ammunition to the Remainers to rubbish my comments. I rarely ever see a Leaver ask a Remainer to justify themselves, or did I miss it ?

Hear hear Maw I feel exactly the same.

aprilrose You said your thread was about giving leavers a much needed opportunity to "open up about hopes and aspirations" My response was "but they didn't did they". You replied that they hadn't had the chance. You then wrote two long posts, neither of which made reference, in support of your feelings of hope, to what you feel will be the advantages of leaving.

The new poster Ladymuck says she was reluctant to join Gransnet to post her views because she thought Gransnet was the natural home of remainers. For a start, her view is not correct - there are many Gransnetters supporting leave. But, like you aprilrose, there are some who feel unable to to deal with being challenged about their ideas and claims - and so remain silent.

My husband voted to leave and I did to an extent agree with him on some issues. I do not think he or others like him who have expressed specific concerns are "half wits" but I don't agree with them and I think I and others have the right to disagree and the responsibility to say why.

We're not asking for people's reasons for voting Leave, NanKate. We're asking them to tell us how our lives will be improved by leaving the EU.

Don’t fall for it NanKate

It's always a nice feeling to be with one's own tribe. I was recently requesting a special sacrosanct forum for Christian devotions.

It feels like Hotel California -you can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

It's always a nice feeling to be with one's own tribe

Thank you MawB and everyone else who responded. I wholeheartedly respect the decision of the people and like others just want it sorted for the better we hope for everyone who lives here.

I know no other country as my home I was born here over 50 years ago and even more so for my children who have only one grandparent left. I want the same morals and values for my children as many others. I have brought them up to work hard for everything they own. To love and respect each and every individual something that needs to be instilled in more children. The street I lived on, if you were rude to any adult they could give you a clip round the ear with out any PC Some of the values I grew up with, I would love to see some bought back and even if financially things may be hard in the beginning I sincerely hope that we can all work for the common good including a better future for the generations to come.

Well said Rgirl

Isn't there a bill being read in parliament today to stop EU Nationals opening up businesses in this country [I will double check in a bit]. If so, hurrah. No more pesky furriners opening up shops that stay open all hours. We can buy British things for British people and, when Yellowhammer is in full flow we can even have a post war fantasy with rationing etc that none of those pesky furriners can join in with cause they'll be gone. I'm beside myself with excitement. Hadn't realised what fun it would be being a born again brexiteer….

MawB , greetings. By 'tribe' I don't mean blood or marriage relations but people who think alike. I daresay everyone likes to be acknowledged .

There must be some administrative reason for gransnet not providing such forums. I bet there are plenty I love brexit forums elsewhere. There's even a political party especially for I love brexit.

There are plenty of pro Brexit facebook pages Alexa but they really are not pleasant places to be.

Out of interest Rgirl, do you think
(a) your hopes can only be satisfied when 'England is for the English'
(b) your hopes will be satisfied when 'England is for the English'

I myself would like to think that these values could come back - but I fear that horse has bolted

Alexa I think I know what you meant, but GN has in the past been a forum for discussion, friendship and support for people of different views and resuasions with the only thing we have absolutely in common being our age “over 55”
I don’t like to think that my political opinions or my religious views or my marital status or my education could in any way “disqualify” me from a group of virtual friends.
I think it is dangerous to restrict one’s social interaction to “people like us” to one’s “tribe” - taken to is extremes, that can lead to narrow mindedness and the insular approach of “My country right or wrong “.

“Persuasions” not the word my iPad invented!

I agree, MawB.

I'm popping in as a leaver who would vote that way again. I'm also here to let aprilrose know that some of us do feel the same way and I agree that there is no need to discuss or validate our decisions - I did all that three years ago. Since then, my husband and three of my adult children have changed their view and would now vote to leave. So I'm only here to be counted. I wouldn't dream of berating remainers, nor am I interested in changing their minds. My family changed their own opinions over time and we all respected each others original stance.

^ I agree that there is no need to discuss or validate our decisions^

No-one is asking you to do that. Just asking Leavers to tell us how leaving is going to improve our lives.

How can anyone express pious hopes of reconciliation and moving forward without telling us why it's going to happen? What is going to reconcile us?

There are plenty of pro Brexit facebook pages Alexa but they really are not pleasant places to be

That is in my pinion not an appropriate comment. It is tantamount to actually saying "Go elsewhere". WE have had this out before. Not everyone has facebook or similar accounts.

Why should people have to leave because they do not agree with you? Why do you feel the need to destroy the pleasant conversations that take place here by telling people to go somewhere else? This is an open forum. You have many threads for discussing remain political views. I know you use them. This is a place for discussing leave views.

We all like to get together with like - minded people. Call it tribalism if you want. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact GN wouldnt exist if there were no people who felt they shared a connection of being grandparent age. We may as well all be on Mumsnet or indeed on facebook.

I imagine there may well be lots of remain minded groups on Facebook too. I would not suggest anyone leave this place to find their satisfaction on FB , but if the cap fits, maybe wear it rather than telling others to do so?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch. I have to go and put on a snack for myself ( have not had lunch) and start dinner for this evening. I shall be serving British food. I make a point of buying British. Its good value and we have higher standards that the EU in our farm husbandry. Our farmers are more efficient with it too. Lets all help our own farmers rather than the exports of other countries.

well, having read the first four pages and feeling a bit nauseous at the self adoration and mutual assurances that 'they got it right', I shall now leave this thread ( just popped in to say that), I will go where people choose to discuss, debate, laugh and generally learn from each other, there is not much of that on this rather silly and provocative thread. I will meet up with some of you in the adult section.

^I asked for the reasons why voting leave was so important to AR. (I didn't want a debate, just some sort of understanding.) But as always, it seems to come down to 'It just is'.
And that goes for all other Leavers here too^

I had not realised at the time that your question was addressed to a particular person. I am sorry, I should not have replied at all.

However, since you have now opened it up to "All Leavers", I will say that I see no reason to go over old territory here. I have given my reasons in several places, as have others because I have seen their posts. It seems that for some reason there are some people who just cannot accept the views given. I am afraid that is their problem.

We are all entitled to our opinions, just as we are all entitled to one vote. I exercised mine with 17.4 milllion others and that vote said we should leave. The time for discussing why has long since passed.

Enjoy your cabbage and dumplings!

Might I suggest you take a step back and read this thread as an "outsider" because it honestly does seem like a satire.

Thank you for dropping by GillT57. I hope you enjoy your discussions with the tribe you are off to join. No doubt you will be laughing and learning from those whose views you share or whose views go a little further down the same path you are already travelling.

If you cannot learn anything here, I would fully endorse that you would want to go elsewhere. Hope you enjoy the company of those like minded others . We all seek like minded others. There is no need to justify it, deny it or make a point of telling us about it. Its OK.

Aprilrose you seem to be assuming a responsibility and some sort of ownership of this thread. You are not (as far as I know) any sort of moderator, nor do you have any say so over those commenting, whether they are of your school of thought or not.
There is a note of self- importance, of gloating even which IMO does not belong on a forum of equals.