For brexiters only please.

No, Maw, I am just trying to keep it going a bit. I feel a responsibility in that I started it and a lot of people have come out and admitted to being leavers. I feel for them and I know it has taken a lot of courage.

I would prefer that any flack from remainers falls on me rather than them. Its not an ownership thing in any way at all. You have totally misread my motives.

AR You started this thread "I voted leave. I would vote leave again and again and again. There has been nothing to change my mind. "
Now you say " I have given my reasons in several places, as have others because I have seen their posts."
I haven't seen these reasons. That's why I keep asking. The only reasons I have seen have made no sense, like the straight bananas claim, or the woman who objected to the EU saying fish and chips should not be served in used newspaper. While I accept there are people like that, I can't believe all of the 52% don't have real reasons. So why won't you explain yours?

More good news..'.Brexiteers have long hailed the “sea of opportunity” that awaits British fishermen and women after the UK leaves the EU — but now it has emerged that their boats will be monitored by a French company.
The business that won the tender to track UK fishing vessels wherever they operate, as well as foreign-licensed boats in British waters, is Collecte Localisation Satellites (CLS),
a French maritime surveillance provider.
The contract was awarded by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) in late summer having previously been held by a British firm, Globavista'. Wow, we're taking back so much control it's frightening [truly frightening.....]

Your post april has taken the meaning of patronising to a whole new level ?

I don't know why there's this apparent obsession from some, for a list of reasons from those who voted leave.

I and many others gave my reasons just after the referendum. I was derided at the time by some, as were others and have no intentions of putting myself in that position again.

If you're really that interested yygsdrasil maybe you can go back 3 plus years and find the threads that were on the go then and read them.

I'm waiting to see what happens with the quotas the British sold to furrin fisherman. Presumably they'll need to be compensated, if British fisherman are going to take back control. Otherwise, beware of fishing boat wars off our coast! Maybe it would have been different if the UK's representative on the EU Fisheries Committee had ever attended meetings .

Why were you derided Smileless? Weren't your reasons very plausible?

It'll be interesting to see how the FTA deals with our fishermen's trade with the EU, seeing that most of their catch is sold to continental Europe. ('cos the Brits won't eat all those alien species). We import most of our fish...

My reasons were very plausible growstuff but they were reasons for wanting to leave.

Any reasonable person who had voted to mess up the lives of nearly half the country might think it fair to explain their case. You never know! The other half might be reasonably and you might actually convince them that you had a valid argument rather than some gut feeling based on cucumbers, bananas, blue passports, Turkish hordes, an EU army or being forced to eat foreign food.

yggdrasil, the OP did give her reasons for voting leave very recently. As I recall, they were because her DH lost his job when his employer relocated to Eastern Europe with the aid of an EU grant. And because the UK has been going to the dogs ever since the 1970s when we joined Europe. There was another one but I can't recall it.

Aha! Glad to hear it. I wasn't here three years ago, so I'm assuming your reasons were about bendy bananas or something, which I don't find very persuasive.

But they don't think they've messed up anyone's lives, growstuff.

Lost jobs, businesses relocating to Europe, EU citizens jumping through hoops to get recognition of their settled status, EU citizens fleeing the NHS, slowdown in growth, falling pound... pfft.. nothing to do with Brexit

Do you mean a loan from the European Central Bank? Well, that's capitalism for you. Companies go where the labour costs are lowest. Did Dyson receive a ECB loan?

Ah well! Never mind! I'm sure the op will feel better when another few hundred thousand have lost their jobs.

So if anyone wants to know why leavers aren't prepared to give their reasons just read growstuff's post of 15.52.

"cucumbers, bananas, blue passports, Turkish horders, an EU army or being forced to eat foreign food" a lot of which I enjoy by the way, had nothing to do with it.

One only has to look at some of the posts on this thread from remainers to see that there isn't a desire for a sensible and mature discussion. "Ah well!! Never mind!"

suziewoozie??

yes, never been given any reason that stood to scrutiny- not a single one. And yet many of us have given reasons that DO stand testing thoroughly, about the consequences of No Deal- which are just called 'project fear'.

The reasons are not given smileless, because you are well aware they don't stand scrutiny.

When it comes to all our lives having already been turned upside down with the lack of a sense of security for over three years, soon to be followed by years of isolation and an ever decreasing economic growth I don't think it is unreasonable to demand that such decisions are made based on truth and reasoned judgement.

An interesting thread, aprilrose and all credit to you for starting it. We should be concerned that a poster has actually thanked you for providing a safe space for her to post.

The news and politics thread has been the stamping ground of an opinionated few for as long as I’ve been on GN. It’s refreshing to see new names daring to nail their colours to the mast.

I speak as a remainer, btw, but not one who thinks the referendum should be disregarded because it didn’t go the way I wanted. Nor do I feel the need to demand that people explain their reasons for voting if they don’t happen to agree with me.

When we do leave, I hope we all remember those that did what they could to overturn the result, I know I will, they let everyone down.

Do you not feel the arguments for Brexit were based on lies and misinformation, then?

I voted out and would do so again and again . My reasons are many and I can’t type it all out . My flag pole and Union Jack will be up before the 31st I cant wait to see the end of that awful blue flag which will have a star too many on it . That’s going to be more EU money to replace with a star less ,. Yes out out out

Wow! This thread has generated almost 300 posts in only 24 hours.

I’m off it now though. It was a nice thought aprilrose but it’s degenerated into a Brexit thread which is exactly the same as all the others. Ah well.
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No Labaik it was based on solid facts

I reiterate that april answered my questions some time ago in a lucid and courteous way. She gave several personal family reasons for voting against the eu - reasons which were both current and historic.
I thanked her for not dodging the questions as so many do.
However, despite her very reasoned reply she gave no credible positive reasons for leaving, no details of the advantages of being out of the eu.
Two different issues are being conflated.
"I want out because............". and " We'll benefit from brexit because................
I simply haven't seen any replies from any poster assuring me of any benefits.