Gransnet forums

News & politics

For brexiters only please.

(792 Posts)
aprilrose Sun 20-Oct-19 15:53:29

I would just like one thread for brexiters only please.

I voted leave. I would vote leave again and again and again. There has been nothing to change my mind. I have been hardened by the views of remainers.

I would really like to talk to other brexit minded posters.
Thanks.

Grandad1943 Wed 23-Oct-19 08:00:22

Joelsnan in regard to your post @23:27 yesterday, you state correctly that under Johnsons present withdrawal proposals workers rights will revert to British government control which can be changed in any election. However, should Britain " genuinely wish" conclude a trade agreement with the European Union such legislation will have to be in alignment with EU workers rights regulations, so to write those guarantees into the withdrawal agreement would make sense.

The above is the reason why many political analysts both in and outside of Parliament believe that Johnson has every intention of taking Britain out of the European Union with no deal.

You also speak in your post @23:27 yesterday Joelsnan of manufacturers returning to Britain so as to shorten supply chains but you state that at a time when one in three manufacturers and their suppliers are moving their operations into European Union member states.

The reason for the above is the threat of Britain leaving the EU and therefore it will no longer be part of a free open market of four hundred and eighty million people but will become a much smaller closed market of sixty eight million people.

Indeed the only reason my company has now opened an operation in Europe is for the sole reason that two of our longterm customers have moved large parts of their business operations into the European Union under threat of Brexit.

In regard to other Just in time transport operations (JIT), 40% of Britains fresh food comes into the United Kindom through the channel ports on a seamless daily basis. Britain could not grow that fruit and vegetables in winter unless our growers were to use huge amounts of generated heat and light in enormous glasshouses. So, where would be the reduced carbon footprint in carrying out such an operation?

Media links to above:-
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey

www.independent.ie/world-news/nearly-800-billion-of-assets-moved-to-europe-due-to-brexit-uncertainty-37688158.html

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-02/great-brexit-insurance-migration-shifts-75-billion-from-london

growstuff Wed 23-Oct-19 08:42:02

Opal and Joelsnan The UK has a specific opt out from joining the Euro. Where is there any evidence of a hint that the UK itself might give up that opt out? It would need coercion from the other member states, but the UK would have a veto on any attempt at coercion. This really does appear to be unfounded scaremongering.

lemongrove Wed 23-Oct-19 08:46:19

Joelsnan haha?
And I would even bake a few cakes for them ( containing a pep up ingredient)wink

crystaltipps Wed 23-Oct-19 09:02:22

If Brexit is such a great idea one wonders how many EU companies will relocate to the U.K.? I don’t mean EU companies buying up assets - there’s plenty of those already.

Lovetopaint037 Wed 23-Oct-19 09:24:13

Brexiteers only! Sounds like you need to comfort each other.
Surely you couldn’t be wrong.
I actually came on here in the hope that someone would enlighten me as to the advantages we are all going experience.
Well someone has talked about how we all managed before we joined the EU. Yes, we managed but we didn’t prosper. I am 78 and have a good memory. I also voted for my grandchildren and we had lots of discussions and listened to all debates, read newspapers and ignored the Daily Mail and Sun. So Brexiteers I am still waiting for reasons why you are so optimistic.

Pantglas2 Wed 23-Oct-19 09:26:24

Has anyone else noted the word ‘please’ on this thread title and no such politeness in the remainers only thread?

newnanny Wed 23-Oct-19 09:28:13

Screaming for more time but Labour ran out of MP's to contribute to debate and most MP's not bothered about debating at all.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1194124/Brexit-news-video-Commons-debate-UK-EU-deal-Boris-Johnson-agreement-latest

lemongrove Wed 23-Oct-19 09:28:40

Sounds like you need the Remainers special thread Painting ?.....they are all comforting each other this morning.

You have had three years to study the subject of why many people voted to leave the EU.

newnanny Wed 23-Oct-19 09:31:20

@Joelsnan me too and sausage rolls. smile

suziewoozie Wed 23-Oct-19 09:41:42

Saying please doesn’t make an order acceptable

Pantglas2 Wed 23-Oct-19 09:53:37

Of course not suziewoozie and it obviously didn’t work with the remainers did it? I’m intrigued that the lack of politeness on their thread put off most of the brexiters though apart from a few brave souls!

crystaltipps Wed 23-Oct-19 09:58:45

Oh those impolite remainers- They obviously haven’t learned please and thank you unlike those super polite leavers who write those polite death threats to MPs . Who are always squealing about sweeping generalisations made about them? Pot and kettle spring to mind.

lemongrove Wed 23-Oct-19 10:11:21

We are talking of GN posters crystal not the country at large ( although I suspect you are fully aware of that and just wanted to snipe.)

Pantglas2 Wed 23-Oct-19 10:22:41

In the interests of balance crystaltipps, let’s add the not so polite threats of John McDonnell to lynch Esther Mcvey and turn back the clock to assassinate Margaret thatcher......no doubt they slipped your mind!

crystaltipps Wed 23-Oct-19 10:37:22

I wonder which of the vile tweets and emails come from the extreme Brexit side versus those who oppose. I would suggest the balance is not equal.

crystaltipps Wed 23-Oct-19 10:39:45

I’m not sure of hate mail about Margaret Thatcher is relevant btw

Pantglas2 Wed 23-Oct-19 10:40:30

Very little in life is equal- why should hate be any different?

Joelsnan Wed 23-Oct-19 11:11:36

Grandad1943
Thank you for your ‘drivel’. (Your term) You have obviously bought into the EU dream of perpetuating the for profit mentality. You are obviously happy to support the exploitation of workers and suppression of wages.
This is your prerogative.
However your derisory terminology towards others on this site who have a different viewpoint, not necessarily any less valid than yours is quite offensive.

Joelsnan Wed 23-Oct-19 11:32:37

Remain posters really must be living on stress.
I have just skimmed todays postings on the Remain Thread and apparently Leavers:
1. Spout drivel
2. Are waiting what to be told by the press
3. Are people who abhor knowledge
And
4. Have a Luddite mentality.
And its only 11.30am. ???

Joelsnan Wed 23-Oct-19 11:36:41

newnanny
Now don't you think sausage rolls are going a bit too far ? I maybe was too generous with tea and sandwiches. Maybe it should be ships biscuits and water, shoved under the door by black rod.

lemongrove Wed 23-Oct-19 11:37:23

I agree Joelsnan and they have stopped talking about Brexit and moved onto other things entirely.?

jura2 Wed 23-Oct-19 11:39:40

It has been reported to me that comments on several 'Leave' sites, re the 39 dead found in Sussex - are digusting cruel and vile.

Joelsnan Wed 23-Oct-19 11:42:30

jura2
Which sites are these please?

jura2 Wed 23-Oct-19 11:43:30

I remember teenage students telling me they were not working and failing in some subjects, because they 'didn't like the teacher' - I almost always managed to make them realise that doing this would only hurt them and their future prospects- and would not bother those teachers at all.

Changing your mind about such a massively important issue for all our futures, and that of our grandchildren- because you don't like the attitude of remainers - is infantile and nonsensical in the extreme. Your grandchildren will NOT thank you.

jura2 Wed 23-Oct-19 11:44:58

FB and Twitter. I would never 'infiltrate' such sites, but friends of mine have and I trust their reporting.