For brexiters only please.

The question is how long Labour can hold out before having to go back to the people in a general election?

Refusing is going to be hard to maintain as Tories taunt them over the holidays about being afraid to call a GE, justified or not.

And if they refuse and Parliament finds itself in exactly the same spot in 90 days, there's no Benn act to stop a no-deal next time.

The only sure way to stop a no-deal is to replace Boris as PM, but Labour don't seem to have much faith that a GE would do that. Not a good look.

The biggest mistake made since the referendum was not facing up to the result.

Actually, this is exactly what has happened- Many faced up to it to find out what it would mean, and what the consequences would be. Listened, read, researched, ... realised- and faced up to the reality. Never more so than now.

but the biggest mistake happened right at the start - and was putting a very vague binary question in a Refererendum that could mean 1000 and more things to different people- without any preparation whatsoever. Criminal, I'd say.

Have you been at the Baileys again trisher ?

Hi jura2 probably as well you posted on this Leaver’s thread - you don’t want to get lost amongst the bread and butter pudding posts! Actually, on second thoughts ....

Perhaps us leavers should be flattered that although the remainers have their own thread, they can't stop posting on this one.

Perhaps lemon or perhaps I know more than you think I do.

Baileys and bread and butter pud, can I have custard with tha, please.

That all sounds very hush hush ? ......but should you be giving the game away?

Yes, I note that exports are still decent to EU, however any good business person would look at the trend, look at the opportunity and competition pools and would look to other blue sky markets to compensate and eventually overtake this declining market.

It would also be interesting to note how much of the UK's exports to the ROW are by way of FTA agreements negotiated through the EU. All of which fall on our exit and will have to be renegotiated*, a process taking a number of years and are likely to offer the UK less favourable terms.

*By a very small pool of experienced trade negotiators as we haven't done any independent trade negotiations for several decades.

Maizied
lawyersforbritain.org/brexit-legal-guide/wto-and-international-trade/brexit-and-international-trade

This might explain

Thanks for the link Joelsnan, excellent info. Hopefully it will give the remainers something to chew on - other than bread and butter pudding .

Jura2 - nothing Boris will ever do can ever make Corbyn sound "statesmanlike" - he's a politician, not a miracle worker!

We all know labour are weak and their dithering leader has made them worse. If they had a decent leader and clear policies they would wipe the floor with the Tories, who have been less than spectacular. Having a weak opposition doesn’t make the government any better, just gives less choice to the voters and reminds us what a fragile state our creaking antiquarian political system is in.

I agree with that crystaltipps
Which is why Johnson should call an election right now, because after Brexit won’t be a good time for anyone and we will end up with a hung Parliament yet again.

It isn't in Johnson's power to call an election. Under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act the decision to call an election has to be made by two thirds of MPs. Johnson doesn't have the numbers for this.

He can bluster all he likes but at the moment the timing of a GE is in the hands of the Opposition and they're not going to dance to his tune.

So why doesn't he? Obvious really he is afraid he won't be PM, remebering the last GE and he clings to power, not wanting to be the shortest lived PM in history

Its up to Corbyn and La Swinson to give the green light for a GE. Corbyn isn’t keen to call one as he knows he won’t win!

Corbyn has stated many times, that if the EU grant an extension then Labour will gladly have an election!
Well, his bluff is likely to be called now, because the EU will surely grant one.

Only the Tories wish to have a Christmas General Election so going beyond that would find favour with the Electorate.

Also, Jeremy Corbyn has stated that he does not wish to lead the Labour Party into the next General Election due to his age. Therefore, following the new year, a ballot of the whole Labour movement could be organised to elect a leader to replace Corbyn. That will take a least eight weeks and during that period Jeremy Corbyn would remain as leader of the opposition in the House of Commons.

With that time taken up, it will then be running into spring and the new leader would the be able to pick the most opportune moment to bring Johnson and his cronies down, and that could be anytime until 2022.

The only downside I can see to the above would be Labour would not have Corbyn's great campaigning spirit at hand for that election

Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition is the only person in Parliament who has the power to call a vote of no confidence in this excuse for a government. That Corbyn can do at any time of his and the Labour Parties choosing.

Johnson can "huff & puff" all he wishes but he does not have the power to call an election prior to 2022 as exasperating as that may be to him and his cronies.

He is trapped by the fixed parliament act that the Tories brought into being. ?

The above is a view that is rapidly being favour among many in the Labour movement it would seem.

lemongrove Quote [ Corbyn has stated many times, that if the EU grant an extension then Labour will gladly have an election!]End Quote.

lemongrove, what Corbyn and the whole opposition alliance have stated would be that they will not grant Johnson a General Elation until a no deal Brexit is no longer possible.

With Johnson leaving guarantees on workers rights and much else out of the withdrawal agreement that would indicate that Johnson is still intent on a no deal outcome.

In that, it may be therefore that until the whole trade agreement is negotiated successfully will the opposition parties in parliament grant a General Election.

The simple fact is that nobody trusts Johnson in any part of this Brexit tragedy.

The fixed term was brought in by the coalition government. It has Cleggie’s sticky hands all over it as well as Cameron’s. It was to take away the advantage of the government of the day gaining the advantage by being able to call for a GE at the time of its choosing.

Fair enough.

But the Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox is right in my opinion. We have a DEAD Parliament. I can’t wait to see the back of some of these duplicitous MP’s.

Some are clinging on by their fingertips. They know their constituents are furious with them and some WILL be out of their jobs soon enough - that’s why so many don’t want a bluddy election as it’ll be ‘bye bye sunshine - don’t bang the door on the way out’!

Urm some think that the FTP Act was brought in to safeguard the perilous position of the Coalition Government. Hoist and petard much