For brexiters only please.

Nice try GGmk3 but definitely not biting on this thread!

Am I imagining it but do more Remainers ask us to justify ourselves, than Brexiteers ask Remainers their reasons ?

You do not imagine it NanKate! I like this thread because it’s more a gentle discussion of what we have read in the news (without the need for links or proof) or how we feel about Brexit in general.

When I’m having a chat in real life about Brexit (although it’s so divisive I’ve noticed that we all seem to swerve it!) if it does happen get mildly talked about, opinions and general chit chat. No-one demands validation!

Where will you bite, then, Ug?

Why would you crystaltipps? The whole point about the EU is that they are individual countries run by their own governments. They are never going to be "all" anything. Obviously, those who are brainwashed about the EU will still find this hard to accept.

You’re not imagining it NanKate.

And it’s nothing short of damn rude.

Where will you bite then Ug?

Needling leavers again!

Urmstongran please do not take their "bait", some live and breath animosity.

Enjoy your time in Malaga.

Ooh, Urmstongran, have a lovely time in Spain. Enjoy.

This idea that the “whole country” is euphoric about Brexit is just evidence of the sharp division in our broken society, with many people knowing no one who voted leave and vice versa. There are huge swathes of people who will lose jobs and livelihoods or relationships and have no reason to feel anything but depressed over the whole shambles, but they don’t count- as anyone who didn’t vote Brexit ( almost half the voters) are non people and don’t count for anything. We’re are just dirt under your shoe.

That’s a very emotive post crystal, especially the last sentence, but thankfully it’s incorrect. You are a person who holds a view that I disagree with, but I certainly don’t think of you as dirt under my shoe, and I’d be surprised if anyone else does.

crystaltips "We're are just dirt under your shoe"

What a very low opinion you have of fellow GN's because they had the temerity to vote in a different way to you!!!!! I would never describe another human being or animal as "dirt under my shoe".

It was a tad dramatic crystaltipps- I’ve never heard a brexiter use terms like that!

But you don't give a toss about how crystal actually feels, do you, GG13 & maddyone?

Just do a little pearl clutching about how dreadfully she phrased it, that'll deflect having to think about what she said.

MaizieD It is not the electorate that are to blame for what Crystaltips calls "the whole shambles", but the H of Cs who have blocked "honouring" the referendum, David Cameron who said it would be a "once in a lifetime vote" and that the result would be honoured.

They should have had a plan A, B, C and D in hindsight they didn't even have a plan A. Saying that I would not change my vote as my opinion of the EU hierarchy has plummeted in equal measure to the "clowns on all sides" in both houses of Westminster.

But Maizie, actually I think you ‘don’t give a toss’ to use your own expression, how any leavers feel. They have been subjected to a lot of verbal abuse on Gransnet over the last couple of years.
I don’t want to make anyone feel like dirt under my shoe, including crystal. Do you care how I feel?

Well said GrannyGravy.

I’m happy to ‘bite’ (or engage) on any other Brexit thread MaizieD as I have and do - just ask Grandad1943! He recently thanked me for being one of the Leavers who are prepared to stay and debate. -

There are actually a few of us Leavers who do but as it’s mostly Remainers (always banging on like Nonnie ‘please would someone give me 3 reasons why they voted Leave and I might change my mind’ or GGmk2 and Whitewavemk3 with their requests for links and evidence) on the Brexit threads, it can be daunting so no wonder a lot of Leavers back off. They probably don’t have the time or the inclination 3+
years on, to be still doing so, ad nauseum!

I enjoy this simpler, chatty thread. It makes a refreshing change.

That comment was harsh and uncalled for crystaltipps I expected better from you!

Urmstongram Two Leavers criticised me because my list of reasons didn't supply links and evidence in support. Had I supplied that info my post would have been several pages long.

Anyone who’s got time to read the numerous links, not to mention find them, can’t have much else to do, so I wouldn’t worry Dinah.
And many of them come from The Guardian or Twitter, neither of which could be shown to be impartial.

Dinahmo
The request for justification is just what leavers have had to contend with for 3+ years...not very pleasant is it?

The Guardian newspaper is impartial because unlike the Daily Mail it's not owned by somebody whose interested is vested in a political party.

The Guardian is a well known left supporting paper. I’m surprised anyone could seriously think it’s impartial. Oh dear.

The Guardian regularly has opinion columns by people who support Brexit and who disagree with the leadership of the Labour Party which would suggest that it is impartial. Unlike the Express, the Torygraph and the Times, all of whom have right wing tax avoiders as their owners.