Will the fat lady sing?

I don't know but I can see this spilling over into next year.

Can't stand Starmer, his face gets on my nerves ! Ex-cop.

Who's an ex cop?

Nothing can be done until the WA is passed so the sooner the better.
Of course there will be years of negotiating trade deals and fine tuning agreements and so on, but the fact is we will then be out of the EU. Very few people expect it to be done and dusted completely by the end of this month.

Starmer was a lawyer as far as I know.

Lots of good posts here. I think a large part of the problem is that the other parties have to second guess what BJ is up to because no one can trust him.

On a lighter note, many wonderful opera singers are now slim

On a lighter note, many wonderful opera singers are now slim

Yup, I was at the opera this weekend and the only fat singer was a man (boy, was he fat! Fabulous voice, though)

The Johnson unsigned letter made me think of the rogue employer who had been pocketing my tax & NI payments all the time he employed me (not just me, either) and providing fraudulent wage slips. You could get away with that in the 70s. When I left I didn't have cash in my wage packet. It was an unsigned cheque and shortly afterwards he disappeared like a thief in the night.

Indeed, there is a lot to be argued over and some parts we will like, some we won’t, some agreements with farm trade will be very quick, the starting point is the tariffs we have now, many won’t change for a while.

What the EU will not allow, is us buying cheaper goods from elsewhere and then re export them to the EU. A good example is New Zealand lamb we import an agreed fixed quota at present and at the same time export 40% of our lamb to the EU, they will want to be sure we are not cheating on that agreement.
My guess is that will continue for a year or two, but any illusion that we can decide what we can import and export without reference to any third country is wrong.

Starmer is a lawyer like many MPs as such he is much more predictable than an idealist might be, wether he rises to be leader is uncertain, does he appeal to a majority of party members?. He’s smart and highly likely to be part of any future Labour administration.

EllanVannin as far as I can see in his biography page KS was never a cop. I completely disagree with you anyway, I thought his performance in HoC on Saturday was very impressive, erudite and articulate, I'd like to see him as LP leader.

I appreciate your OP whitewavemark2 because in truth I am now lost with the goings on.
I thought I could mostly follow political developments but not this hard core!

Keep posting.

I saw DUP on Sky news saying they will not be voting for a customs union about an hour ago.

When we had referendum in 1975 there was no confirmatory vote then government just did what country mandated it to do.

In 2011 when Scotland voted to remain in EU there was no confirmatory vote then.

It seems some people, mostly MP's, do not like result of 2016 referendum and throw toys out of pram by demanding a second vote, third vote until they win.

Bercow to rule at 2.30pm

As an aside, does anyone know what happened to that vital (apparently) QS?

What humbug.

But of course we weren’t taken in were we?

Bercow put back to 3.30

I am convinced that if Keir Starker had been elected Labour leader we wouldn't be in this mess.
If only JC could be persuaded that the statesmanlike thing to do for country and party is to stand down.
Starmer as leader would be a more attractive prospect leading L.P. into a GE.

Am confused newnanny. The Scottish parliament election in 2011 was just that - not a vote on staying in the eu. Would you mind explaining your point?

When we had referendum in 1975 there was no confirmatory vote then government just did what country mandated it to do

The result was 66% in favour of remaining, 32% against. An extremely clear result. In spite of which, some people campaigned against being 'in Europe' for the next four decades (as was their democratic right)

This time the result was very close. Which should, perhaps, have told the government that leaving was not going to be a simple thing to impose on the UK.

The fact that it is still causing so much anger and division should really be ringing warning bells. The 16 million are not convinced that leaving is a good idea. As it all goes belly up the division will grow, not be healed.

This afternoon

The WAB is being presented. About 1000 pages of detail that is the most important document for generations.

This is implements Brexit into domestic law. Masses to understand and critique.

JRMogg will introduce it to the HoC and lay the ground work for a second reading on Tuesday. This is where he will try to restrict time for debate on the WAB.
On Tuesday there will be a second reading of the WAb before it goes off to Committee.

If Johnson wants brexit by 31/10 he must win both today’s business statement and tomorrow’s second reading.

It is thought that he will.

At the committee stage is where parliament will try to amend with the CU a second referendum etc.

The Scottish court has refused to give a verdict on whether Johnson’s letter was unlawful. They have chosen instead to put it to one side as an open case.

They are in effect holding Johnson’s feet to the fire.

What a bl**dy farce!

1000 pages? There could be anything hidden in the small print!

I think that MPs may only be given a shortened version of 100 pages long. So they won’t even see the full version, as far as I can make out.

I’ll have a look.

Yes I think that is correct. Mays was over 500 paged, and this has been added to.

Bercow ruled against government.

Motion not to be debated today. Repeated and disorderly to do so.

Ruling dates back to 1604 it is a

“Necessary rule to ensure the the proper use of parliaments time and proper respect for the decisions that it takes”

Loved the challenge from Bone that suggested that Bercow could not have known whether the Prime minister f the UK was going to obey the law or not.

Blimey have we come to this??