Will the fat lady sing?

All the Tories will vote for it. They are calling it ‘the Boris Bounce’. I’m not sure it’ll win two thirds as everyone else seems against it.

Apparently the "bounce" only lasts for about 3 months. Only two PMs have managed to maintain that bounce for any length of time - Thatcher and Blair. I don't think the Boris Bounce will go on much longer.

He won’t get his election.

He knows it to and is threatening to go on strike??

“I’ll sqweam and sqweam until I’m sick!”

What a prize idiot.

Joelsnan What has "Auf Wiedersehen Pet" got to do with Eastern Europe? I mentioned it because it involved working lads working in an EU country. Presumably they didn't have villas in France or learn foreign languages at school.

I don't know how many UK citizens in total commute to other EU country. However, I personally know a few.

1 Two small business owners who have manufacturing bases in EU countries.
2 An IT specialist with clients in other EU countries.
3 A friend whose mother is German and lives in Germany, who has now established clients in Germany. (He's still hoping that somehow he can find a way to move to Germany himself.)
4 A specialist in car battery technology, who commutes on a weekly basis to Germany and is just waiting until he can relocate his whole family.
5 Two people who work for big pharmaceutical companies. One commutes regularly to Brussels to pitch for business. The other is a researcher and flies most weeks to Sweden with Astra Zeneca's own airline from Cambridge Airport.
6 A gardener who is currently advising and working on a community city garden in Berlin.
7 An environmental specialist, who regularly visits towns and cities throughout the EU to research how other places manage their waste.
8 Somebody who owns a coach company. Not only does he run tours to EU destinations, but he sometimes goes to visit hotels, restaurants and sightseeing operators.
9 A music critic, who goes to gigs, mainly in Germany and Holland.
10 A medical researcher, based in Cambridge, who spends months during the year working and lecturing in Germany.
11 A restoration expert, who regularly travels to (mainly) northern EU countries to advise on the best kind of glue for various projects.
12 I know somebody who used to work for the European Medical Agency in Canary Wharf before the agency was relocated.
13 A building site project manager, now retired but spent much of his working life in Germany and the former Eastern European countries.
14 A young man, who used to work in the steel industry in the UK, but now works on windfarms in Spain.
15 A number of young teachers who have jobs in international schools in various EU countries.

The above are all people I know personally and there could be some I've missed.

None of them spoke a foreign language fluently before they started, but all of them have made an effort to learn. All it takes is a positive attitude.

To all those people who seem to delight in delaying Brexit. I would ask them why they hate this country so much they want it broken. People would give anything to have our system of government but they seem to want to change those things that make it great. Don't worry about the outcome of a referendum, we will keep on until we get what we want. What a cost all of us are paying for their games.

I don't hate this country. What a ridiculous question!

I really don't understand what you're talking about.

I don't thing Peonyrose does either, growstuff.

peonyrose

Quite the opposite in fact.

I want this country to be the best it possibly can.

If this means leaving the EU, then I want to do so under the best possible circumstances.

Rushed unscrutinised WA does not do that.

This

Nick Robinson
@bbcnickrobinson

Agree to election on 12th Dec & you can have a few more days to scrutinise my Brexit deal
@BorisJohnson
says. Translation = I said I’d leave the EU do or die & no ifs or buts on October 31st but I can’t. So, let’s have a row about an election rather than a pledge I can’t deliver

Another day another lot of chaos.

Johnson has sent a letter to Corbyn, promising “all possible time” but to do that Corbyn must promise to dissolve parliament immediately (remember it is only in Corbyn’s gift)

Johnson expects that the EU will extend to the 31st ( as set out in Labours Benn Act)

Johnson thinks that if he can secure this request he can get both a Brexit deal and win an election.

2/3rds backing by Parliament is needed to back a general election.

This motion is to be tabled on Monday.

Labours priority is to ensure that the U.K. doesn’t crash out.

Trust in the government is at rock bottom, Johnson is a known liar and simple can’t be trusted to keep his word.

It is almost certain that Johnson has brought this forward as a way to distract from the fact that he has failed to deliver the Bill.

If Johnson’s plan is again rejected the government say that they will withdraw the bill to deny any scrutiny by parliament.

And will request an Election Day after day.

What a way to run a government.

In my view a GE is entirely the wrong vehicle to sort this chaos out.

It will only achieve a split vote and almost certainly another hung parliament, why risk such a result.

We need a clear cut legally bound result.

Job done.

So you really cannot see the damage to the country, business and the economy by not supporting the Referendum. Words fail they really do. I hope you are content with the resulting fiasco, now I will leave you to your unreasoned arguments they obviously serve some purpose to you.

peonyrose thank you

I would suggest that you will find sympathy on the leavers thread.

I don’t go there because I know the arguments.

Oh and Budget scheduled for 6 November has been cancelled.

Johnson is really in a strop isn’t he?

It is being stated on the media that if the Budget does not get put through parliament next week ,or soon afterwards, that those who receive state pensions and others may not receive their inflation-linked increases in April next year.

Now, that should turn very many older persons against Johnson and his "strop"

Not against the government Grandad, but against all opposition parties who are holding parliament and the UK to ransom as they are afraid of losing seats in a GE.

Corbyn, Swinsom, Sturgeon et al are enjoying every minute of this, utterly disgraceful on their behalf.

Joelsnan Thu 24-Oct-19 14:04:48 in answer:

1 Yes, it is a question but it is abundantly clear that the markets think it is bad for the UK. It is indisputable that the £ has dropped 20% as a direct result of the referendum. Many well qualified opinions, including the government, predict the economy will lose out.

I won't go on the leavers thread because I am not a leaver.

Thank you for answering in a polite and logical way, despite me disagreeing. It is refreshing.

Please be the first to answer my question: please tell me three ways you and your family will be better off if we leave the EU. Thanks

2 That is the point I was making. We will be OK but my concern is not selfish, it is for those who are not so fortunate. Please don't misinterpret me in an otherwise reasonable response. You are mistaken about the salaries and working conditions in the rest of the EU. In Germany workers have greater power than our unions. I've forgotten what the organisations are called. It is much harder to close a factory in some EU countries than it is here. I have experience of that. In the recent list of the top ten countries for good pensions UK was not on the list, Holland came top, I think they get about 80% of earnings. In some EU countries if you are unemployed you get a percentage of your salary as unemployment pay for quite a substantial time. Some EU countries use English in business but if anyone really want to go they can learn the language. I know this from someone who has lived in France (also French speaking Switzerland), Germany and Holland who learned 2 of the languages fluently but decided they didn't want to stay in the other.

People come here for work for a variety of reasons and I do not agree they are taking unskilled jobs from us. Only last night on the news I saw that apples were being left to rot because there was no one to pick them. When I was at school I would do seasonal jobs in the holiday but, presumably no one wants to pick apples in half term. Also EU nationals pay more into the UK than they take out, I think this is because many of them are young and only here for a short time.

3 see point 2 above. Surely you can see that we don't have the same buying power as we do in a much larger group? Whatever you think about the UK as a trading partner, we don't have the same negotiating power. We have to contend with America First and Canada has already said it will wait to start negotiations because we will be in a worse position after Brexit.

GrannyGravy13, in response to your post @09:45 today, Johnson pulling the Budget Bill and debate out of the parliamentary process next week can in no way be linked to Brexit.

The above action is purely because Johnson is upset he cannot get his way, so has decided to take that out on all who reside in the United Kingdom. ?

Peonyrose Fri 25-Oct-19 05:25:42 Why are you so keen to leave? Can you tell me three ways you and your family would be better off if we leave the EU? Thanks

SJ said on TV 2 days ago that the budget would go through anyway, now it is pulled!

If they want a GE they can have one simply by making a promise that no deal won't happen. They are tweeting that it is Lab which is stopping a GE as if we didn't understand who is responsible. I don't understand why so many are fooled by the shenanigans. Are we really a nation of people who only read headlines?

Nonnie
As mentioned earlier in this thread, which you have appeared to have forgotten. My response was that I had answered you concisely and this was a few months ago. You have obviously forgotten that too.
As this appears a trend may I suggest you stop repeating a question already answered.
Thanks

Anagram, yet another remainer rude comment to peonyrose, this is what leavers have been subjected to ever since the referendum.
Peonyrose knows exactly what she’s talking about! Don’t be so rude.

Whirewave answered peonyrose politely, why couldn’t you amagram?

Grannygravy
"Sturgeon" is not in the UK parliament.

Farnorth I know Sturgeon is not part of the UK Parliament, but she is revelling in the mess it is in!!

Peonyrose "People would give anything to have our system of government..........."

We have had the same system of government for decades, long before we joined the EEC and yet Leavers wanted to take back control and get back our sovereignty. Leavers are the ones who want change, not the Remainers. We're generally quite happy with the way the country is run.