Will the fat lady sing?

NfkDumpling Wed 23-Oct-19 17:26:46 our circumstances may or may not be different but your reasons may well convince me. Please try.

I believe that we will all be worse off than we are now but I will cope, I am not poor and do not need a job. My concern is for those not so fortunate. I have in fact made money from our American shares because the £ has dropped so much so 'I'm all right Jack' but I would much rather see my country profit than me.

maddyone Quote [Are you a communist Grandad? Just asking because Corbyn and crew are generally regarded as being extremely left wing, in fact more or less communist. Certainly far more to the left than Tony Blair’s] End Quote.

Are you a Fascist maddyone? Just asking because Johnson and his ERG group cronies are far more hard right wing than Ted Heath ever was. In fact, many view them as neo-Fascist in their views and actions.

I also post this as a response to your rediculas quoted post above. ?

No Grandad, I’m not a fascist.
Don’t like anyone disagreeing with you do you?
I’ve just Andrew Neil say on BBC that Corbyn is polling at minus 17% by LABOUR voters. Given that as background, I can only assume that anyone who thinks for one jot that we are looking at a Corbyn led government, that person must be a communist or believe in unicorns. Sorry I rattled your cage Grandad.

......heard Andrew Neil......

maddyone, in regard to your post @12:45 today, you state that Jeremy Corbyn is minus seventeen points in the most recent opinion polls.

However, Corbyn and the Labour Party went into the 2017 General Election campaign minus twenty four points in those same opinion polls, and we all know that election turned out for Labour and the Tories.

However, that is something the Conservatives do not wish to speak on these days.

Theresa May went from hero to zero in one night. ?

Nonnie
1 Our GDP according to official figures is likely to be 6% if we leave which is an average cost to each of us of £2000.

The big question in the short term if we left without a deal is what happens to business and consumer confidence – Keynes’ famous “animal spirits.” Pre-referendum forecasts assumed that a Leave vote would mean a big and lasting hit, depressing consumer spending and business investment. In fact, when it became clear nothing much would change in the short term, confidence quickly recovered. If Brexit – indeed, the hardest possible Brexit – becomes a reality, will this time be different?

That is likely to depend on just how severe the immediate disruption to trade is, but also on political developments and public perceptions. There are no economists, or anyone else, who can reliably forecast these. (Independent 3/09/19)

2 My grandchildren will lost the right to live and work in the EU, an opportunity which some of my friends have taken and are happy with.

A bit of a middle class I’m alright Jack attitude don't you think? Especially when the vast majority of the population would never travel to work or live abroad. How many can speak the languages of any of the 27 nations to be able to secure work. Also salaries, employment terms and conditions are lower than here in the UK. Why do you think so many come here to work? this leaving our lower skilled children having to compete in an unfair work marketplace. Anyway Brits with the necessary skills, language and money have always lived and worked on the continent and indeed worldwide. A Berlin type wall will not be built in the channel.

3 Our buying/negotiating power will be greatly reduced as we will be in the position of the corner shop trying to get the same terms as Tesco.

Our ability to buy and sell at terms favourable to Uk enable UK to shop for the best deals worldwide. We may be a small island, but have one of the largest populations within the EU. Currently we have to trade on terms that are applicable to all the nations across the EU making some of our goods uncompetitive. This is mainly as a result of our more beneficial employment terms and conditions. Our sales into the EU have declined quite considerably over the last few years and this is forecast to continue. We need to ramp up trading worldwide to make up for the widening shortfall with the EU.

I have provided links to supporting data on the Leavers thread if you care to peruse.

The point is Grandad, that only Labour voters were polled. Doesn’t sound good does it?

However, from reading a number of your comments I know you don’t like any disagreement. But no one can argue black is white, the figures speak for themselves!

maddyone, whatever any poll may state such is the diversity of opinion in this country at present that gauging how anyone will be thinking and voting at the next election is almost impossible.

Many do not expect any election to be held now until well into the new year, and possibly even towards the end of next year, as the opposition parties in the House of Commons will wish to ensure that Britain leaving the EU with no deal is most definitely not possible.

Jeremy Corbyn has stated that due to his age he does not wish to lead the Labour party into the next scheduled General Election, therefore it may well be that in the new year eight weeks could be taken up in organising a leadership ballot throughout the Labour Party and the wider affiliated Labour movement. So, no election will be granted to Johnson while that takes place however much he may Huff & Puff.

Unless of course, Johnson wishes to place a vote of no confidence in himself, not a good idea for obvious reasons.

If you want to believe that will lead to a Labour government Grandad, carry on. Perhaps you believe in fairies too.

There is nothing even vaguely 'communist' about the Labour manifesto, maddyone, it's not even as radical as the postwar Labour policies and many continental countries regard it as being quite conservative.

It would be helpful if you could clarify just what is 'communist' about Labour policy.

I think the LP will want to do as you suggest Grandad as they know Corbyn will be a losing ticket for them, however Corbyn himself may be keen to have another go at trying to become PM and could prove stubborn about giving way.

lemongrove Quote [ I think the LP will want to do as you suggest Grandad as they know Corbyn will be a losing ticket for them]End Quote.

Well Jeremy Corbyn may prove to be a winning or losing ticket for Labour at the next General Election, should he still be leader as nobody can be sure in any of the above.

However, one thing is sure, Corbyn proved to be a losing ticket for the Tory Party at the last Geneal Election, he caused them to lose their overall majority in the House of Commons.

The above was achieved on the back of going into that Election Campaign with a 24 point deficit in the opinion polls. ?

It has just been stated by the Tory Leader of the House of Commons that the government will not be bringing forward any legislation on the Brexit withdrawal agreement or any bill to enact a General Election in the coming week.

So, Johnson pledge to get the withdrawal Bill through Parliment and the United Kingdom out of Europe by the 31st of October will now most definitely not be fulfilled, killed of by his own hand.

I think I will go and dig myself a ditch. ?

Looks as if the QS will be voted down.

Blimey is there nothing they can do.

I suppose the answer in “no”

Nope, not without a majority. This Parliament is completely stymied. It needs a good clear out. A GE will shuffle the pack of cards.

This is like the magic roundabout....

Joelsnan: "A bit of a middle class I’m alright Jack attitude don't you think? Especially when the vast majority of the population would never travel to work or live abroad. How many can speak the languages of any of the 27 nations to be able to secure work. Also salaries, employment terms and conditions are lower than here in the UK. "

Didn't you ever watch "Auf Wiedersehen Pet?" You might be quite surprised how many people do have the language skills (or at least are prepared to acquire them) so that they can work in the EU, especially Germany, where salaries, employment terms and conditions certainly aren't lower than in the UK.

For more people commute than I think people realise between Europe and the U.K. on a daily basis particularly between France and the UK.

It is often quicker to commute to/from London and France than towns or cities in the U.K. and London.

Urmstongran I have a feeling that we are going to be stuck with this Parliament and the “Clowns” for the next three years, which will be a disaster for the UK business community and the General Public.

Boris will just have to keep plugging away .... sooner or later an election will be called.

JC has just said GE on 12 December!!

Sorry I got that wrong in my excitement! Must concentrate better.

Seems Boris is saying if he gives Parliament can have extra time to look at his ‘excellent deal’ but they have to agree to a GE on 12 December.

Urmstongran, i would think Johnson has no chance with that one.

While he has been acting like a spoilt child for the last few days, the House of Commons could have been scrutinising and debating the Bill on behalf of the nation.

If Parliament stands firm he will eventually have to grant the house more time whether he likes it or not.

We certainly need a GE because Parliament is stymied. Hopefully the quicker the better so we can get things moving again. I’ll cross my fingers but am not sure it’ll make any difference.

growstuff
Yes I did watch Aufwiedersein Pet. Don't forget this programme was made before the Eastern European countries entered the EU.
Does anyone know how many Brits commute into Europe to work in other than EU Administration?
I imagine there maybe Brits in CERN and Aerospace, but where else?

Johnson has failed in his 31 October bid.

A call for a GE is a good distraction.

What a shambled