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Who is running this country?

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MawB Thu 24-Oct-19 07:42:41

If I can remember that far back, I seem to remember one of the objections to being in the EU was of being governed by the unelected bureaucrats of Brussels, or some such phrase.
How do we feel about the “unelected” of the U.K?
I do wonder who is in charge when I read things like this in this morning’s paper
Reports of Dominic Cummings angrily banging his fist on a table during a meeting between the Prime Minister and Jeremy Corbyn surfaced soon after the pair met yesterday in an attempt to reach a compromise over the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB)
It was alleged that when Mr Johnson asked the Opposition leader how long it would take to agree a new timetable – after the programme motion calling for his Brexit deal to be passed in three days was voted down on Tuesday night – an irate Cummings interjected: “No!”

I believe it was Margaret Thatcher who said “Advisers advise, ministers decide” - presumable including Prime Ministers hmm

Davidhs Fri 25-Oct-19 08:30:03

Regardless of wether we like Bercow or not he is due to stand down at the end of the month, the mood parliament is in you can expect someone else of the same ilk to be elected. Or in the current circumstances Bercow may well be persuaded to stay on for a while.
The Tories seem to be determined almost desperate to provoke a no deal exit at any cost, I ask one question.

How much money do their city backers stand to loose if a deal is confirmed, sterling has already strengthened, the margin calls must be hurting already!.

maryhoffman37 Fri 25-Oct-19 09:54:07

Bercow and Cummings are both leaving at the end of the month. People like Aaron Banks seem to be running the country. Poor us.

maddyone Fri 25-Oct-19 12:21:23

I don’t know why there’s all this to do about BJ being desperate to leave without a deal. He’s just presented a deal to Parliament. What part of that is too difficult to understand? It’s the remainers who are causing Parliament to be stymied. We need a General Election to resolve this. If as remainers claim, most people want to remain in the EU, then a party that will keep us in the EU will be elected, or at least a party who will give us another referendum. If on the other hand, most people want to leave the EU, they will return Johnson’s government. It’s really not difficult to understand this.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 25-Oct-19 12:32:53

maddyone Totally agree, but it is mainly those who voted remain that do not want an election?

Fennel Fri 25-Oct-19 12:38:26

Who is running this country? I don't know if anyone else has said it, but my answer is No One. We're floating around like a boat without a rudder.

mcem Fri 25-Oct-19 12:42:38

Timing is crucial and if BJ can wangle it, he'll drag us out by default in the interim between the deadline and the election.
Latest move is that eu may grant an extension until 15 or 30 November.
How ironic! What a reaction there will be in Scotland if we're dragged out on St Andrew's Day!

Pantglas2 Fri 25-Oct-19 12:43:56

I’d like an election so that remainers and brexiters can put aside their red/blue/yellow bias for once and vote for whichever party promises to do what they want.

Davidhs Fri 25-Oct-19 12:57:07

The whole problem is parliament don’t trust the Tories they have been trying to push for no deal the whole time. Parliament have agreed in principle but want to debate the deal offered and they don’t think 2 days was enough.
Now Boris has come back and offered a GE “or else” or else what!

This IS about Brexit backers loosing a lot of money

Fennel Fri 25-Oct-19 16:01:54

"This IS about Brexit backers loosing a lot of money"
Exactly David.

newnanny Fri 25-Oct-19 16:14:21

Bercow and the Rainbow Alliance. They have majority and hold power.

Grany Fri 25-Oct-19 16:31:38

@CorbynASAP

What a much needed tonic Judy Finnigan was #ThisMorning

Thank you Judy 'You can say that again'

twitter.com/CorbynASAP/status/1187709535307350017?s=20

Peardrop50 Fri 25-Oct-19 17:37:44

It has long been my belief that it is the popular press that rule the UK. Their influence on public opinion is far too strong.

varian Fri 25-Oct-19 17:49:31

I so agree Peardrop

We have to ask who is behind the popular press. Foreign billionaires and tax dodging billionaires, who own most of our national newspapers and do not want to comply with the new EU regulations on tax dodging, are very influential.

We should also be aware of the immense influence of Vladimir Putin who has connections with so many brexit liars and certainly does not have this country's best interests at heart.

Putin wants to de-stabilise the West and in 2016 he had two great victories - installing his puppet Trump in the White House and using his online bots and leave liars to achieve the prospect of brexit.

crystaltipps Sat 26-Oct-19 02:36:20

Trouble is an election won’t solve the B issue, as elections may start as single issues , then other issues become more important, you can’t have a single issue general election by definition- 2016 was supposed to provide TMay with a strong and stable majority and look what happened then. The same thing will happen in the next one. It will start off about Brexit, but then some voters will see the NHS, railways etc as more important and vote on that basis.

crystaltipps Sat 26-Oct-19 04:00:11

For 2016 above read 2017

Peonyrose Sat 26-Oct-19 05:25:38

Bercow undoubtedly, he has manipulated his power and position all the time in office, I think his private life has been such a car crash, he delights in the control he has in his working life. He is a very intelligent man but extremely unlikeable.

growstuff Sat 26-Oct-19 07:12:20

Bercow would appear to be like Marmite.

Some people love him!

Ginny42 Sat 26-Oct-19 07:28:43

How many times do we have to say this? Bercow follows the rules. He does not make them.

The GE should cover all aspects of life in this country and if we have one before Brexit is done and dusted the crucial issues of life right now and going forward would be completely side-lined.

They are two separate situations. People who wish to leave the EU would vote for the party likely to take us out and then we'd all be lumbered with their manifesto on all other issues. Likewise of course if people use their to vote to remain in the EU and we're left with a political party in power who we would not normally wish to vote for in a GE.

Rock and a hard place.

Ginny42 Sat 26-Oct-19 07:43:00

peonyrose why are you commenting on Bercow's private life in this debate? Johnson's private life doesn't seem to make a difference to his supporters. Consider his private life, and I reckon we don't know the half of it. He's the PM for goodness sake. You don't like Bercow. I get that, but his life outside the HoC has nothing to do with his professional life.

Consider who else could have dealt with the constant attempts to manipulate debate, thinking on your feet and checking the banter and the challenges flying across the Chamber and keep it all within the rules of the House? Together with the scrutiny of the team of Clerks, it is all open and above board.

Elegran Sat 26-Oct-19 09:26:10

Bercow is the policeman of the Commons. The police don't make the laws, they just make sure that everyone follows them. Would you blame a copper for there being a law that you can't drive your car without a driving licence and road tax and for telling you so when he observes you getting into a car without a tax certificate on display, and unable to produce a licence?

Elegran Sat 26-Oct-19 09:27:20

Or would you prefer it if there were no laws, and no-one to point out what they are?

maddyone Sat 26-Oct-19 10:19:33

Bercow is an apology for a speaker. Bring back Betty Boothroyd, she was an exemplary speaker. She knew how to be impartial, crucially important for the Speaker of the House. The remainers only defend him because he acts in a way that suits their cause, no other reason.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 26-Oct-19 10:22:56

No maddy Bercow operates within the law.

Would you prefer he didn’t?

Ginny42 Sat 26-Oct-19 10:32:17

I agree that Betty Boothroyd was an exceptional politician and Speaker, but I seriously doubt she would have wanted to have been Speaker during these fractious times, especially towards the end of her career in the HoC.

janeainsworth Sat 26-Oct-19 10:41:38

maryhoffman do you have a link to your statement that Cummings is leaving?
I have googled but I can’t find anything to support it.