Can anyone apart from the elite, say what they want from Brexit

My mother in law would never allow biscuits on the tea table but if you fancy a bourbon feel free! One of the few biscuits I don’t like!

I'm not sure we can allow bourbons, or garibaldis. Too much of a European connection..

Does that mean Nice are out as well? How come we have so many European biscuits? They'll all have to go!!!

I'm not coming unless they are jammie dodgers or home made.

All these pats on the back for someone being, to put it kindly, economic with th truth. Why shout so loudly for lies? You must see that something will improve life beyond what we are losing and yet all we hear are lines similar to football chants, prejudice, complaints about things being said that are simply not being said and lies that are either known to be lies or, more worrying, are being believed.

Don't leave voters think that, if by now someone had shown a really good future if we leave, vast numbers of voters would have changed their minds. But they still seem unable to give us any good reason why the whole country, or even any of the people other than the very wealthy, would benefit from this.

I agree Maizie. What proof is there Lemongrove that low wages will improve? The people who want this and want continue in power have Singapore in mind when they look at our future.

Please tell me how you, let alone those currently on low wages see yourself living under such a regime?

Viennese Whirl anyone?

What is this " tea table" of which you speak?

For most Leave voters, mainly the old and poor, the poor and disadvantaged, living in disadvantaged areas of the country, who have seen so many EU citizens come to this country in recent years and often do well, see them as the reason that they are not doing well.

The apocalyptic picture penned by Sussexborn is the exception not the rule. Most immigrants are filling well qualified jobs or working in perfectly ordinary jobs that do not require slave labour. Nevertheless they are seen as taking jobs away from local people and perception is all.

Those who voted leave are not now looking at pros and cons and judging arguments. They voted Leave, Leave had the majority in the Referendum and they do not know why we are still in the EU.

They see the current shenanigans as one more betrayal of their interests by the elite. They voted leave because they were aggrieved, and have good reason to be, that the share of the national cake coming there way was smaller than it should be and believed, and still believe that their slice would be bigger if we were out of the EU because they will no longer have to share their slice with all the EU citizens in this country. They also blame the EU for every other ill they have suffered in recent years.

They are interested in one thingonly that we get out of the EU and questioned now would be as happy with a no deal exit as anything else.

No Danish pastries, either...

And certainly no brussels sprouts with your turkey (not too sure about turkey, either). Though I apologise for deviating from the tea table..

And certainly no brussels sprouts with your turkey

is that sighs of relief I hear?

Battenberg is contentious.

My understanding is that the elite don't want Brexit because it will derail their gravy train. As to peoples' indifference, your contention is easily disproved by the numbers voting.
My own view, for what it is worth, is that from Parish Councils to the EU, each layer of government takes a slice of our taxes. Less money for the things that matter to us ordinary mortals, schools, hospitals, social care etc.
Please note that Scotland, Wales, & N Ireland already pay for an extra layer. Scots in addition already pay an extra 1p on Inco Tax. The Northern Ireland Assembly, suspended for 2 years, presumably still pay Members & Staff salaries, after losing millions on the 'Ash for Cash' scandal. Perhaps there are savings when the lights were switched off.
A sobering tax fact is that despite our sending around a net £350 million a month to the EU, the total tax take in the UK is at 35%, one of the lowest in Europe. The French pay 57%!!!

I’ve posted before about layers of government costing money and it’s quintuplication where I live due to Town Council, Borough Council, Welsh Senedd/assembly, Westminster and EU. I’ve yet to receive a logical explanation of why all five are necessary or beneficial.

I’d like to get rid of 2/3 layers - any ones, take your pick! And I’d hazard a guess that we’d hardly miss whatever was binned.

Oh dear...

If by "the elite" you mean the billionaires who pull all the strings, the reason they do want brexit is - firstly to avoid EU tax regulations and secondly to profit from disaster capitalism.

They keep their money offshore then if brexit is not stopped, our economy goes belly-up and they swoop in ;like vultures to buy up the assets of asll the businesses that go bust on the cheep. Win-win for the brexit elites.

Waht worries me most about deals with the USA is the big American pharmas profiteering from the NHS.

Whitewavemark2
Will knowing the answer give you peace of mind?
What will you gain from any answers?
Do you seek to have your mind changed or is it simply that you want to lock horns and reiterate that which has been reiterated to death by the remain faction?

You would not benefit from knowing, therefore I doubt any leaver would waste their or your time on a subject you reject out of hand before a word has been typed.

Well said GabriellaG54 - I think we need to be mindful of their difficulties in understanding someone else’s viewpoint however unreasonably held they believe it to be. Not everyone is able to acknowledge a different opinion from their own without feeling the need to attack it ad infinitum.

I am fascinated how everyone feels a need to demonise another group to feel comfortable.

Leavers demonise EU immigrants, then the rest demonise all the billionaires. I am just waiting for someone to blame the Illuminati, Freemasons or Klu Klux Klan.

All believing in some kind of conspiracy as to why things happen.

Frankly I thing all these bogy men are grossly over-rated. All our troubles are caused by bad government and incompetence.

I demonise Rich Tea.

Brexiteers continuously speak on wishing to see "layers of government" removed. However, they never seem to be objective in precisely what bureaucracy should be included in their wishes.

Much original British legislation in areas such as employment rights, workplace safety and qualities etc has been embraced by the European Union and adopted into their EU Commission Directives which has been or is in the process of implementation by all member states.

So, perhaps those which have stated they wish to see "layers of government" removed please outline to other forum members what such layers they are thinking on for removal.

Otherwise, we are left to believe that this is just another element of the leavers Brexit utopian dream that in reality cannot ever exist.

I’ve had three and a half years of this Brexit palaver, trying to keep the peace between remainer and brexiter friends and family, all thinking they’re in the right and t’other side needing to be shot for their myopia. Quite frankly, I couldn’t any longer, give a fig .....roll!

I demonise Rich Tea.

How very unpatriotic of you, grapefruitpip

They are so beige and boring and soggy.