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Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Nov-19 07:57:19

Here are what Labour plans to do to help you decide whether Labour is right for you.

I will start to list their plans as they come out and add to them as they are announced.

Once the manifesto is published I will outline it in full for your perusal.

We will start with Brexit - just to get it out if the way.

Brexit

Negotiate a new deal within 3 months. (remember Labour has been talking to Brussels for 3 years)

People’s vote by May/June.

This vote will be legally binding. No ifs or buts.

Health

The NHS will never be up for sale

Universal Free prescriptions Not so expensive as it sounds. Remember approximately 90% of prescriptions are free at the point of use.

Social Welfare
free personal care for the elderly a very popular move. Funding will be announced next week.

Education.
end of university tuition fees - another popular move, that will please my grandson. He has opted to live at home and commute in order to keep his debt to a minimum. At the moment he will leave with at least £40K debt.

Tax

super rich avoiders/evaders will be targeted to ensure that they pay their fair share just as everyone else does

Consideration is being given to a financial transaction tax

Shorting, by hedge fund managers has meant that they are betting against our country and making millions - disaster capitalism. Labour proposes that these transactions should have a tax attached to them.

Employment

zero hours contracts many employers are getting vastly wealthy at their workers expense who are being exploited and effectively being paid less than the legal minimum wage level. Labour therefore proposes-

guaranteed minimum number of hours of work a week this will allow zero hours contract workers a semblance of normality and stability, and give them the chance to plan their lives.

minimum wage £10

Environment and Global Warming

Children are now growing up in our cities with reduced lung capacity due to the pollution emanating from various sources.

green new deal Labour proposes to set a target of net zero carbon by the 2030’s

Following the earthquakes
Labour will * immediately ban fracking*

Housing

Landlords are going to be encouraged to ensure there is more affordable housing. Councils and town planners are to be given more enforceable powers.

Slum landlords will be banned.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:32:14

I work in broadband. The monopoly Openreach has over our the network is ridiculous & a pain for customers. We currently have a tiered internet which excludes the poor & has others paying too much for inconsistent quality. Labour nationalisation will benefit the public & economy.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:33:46

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis
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BT has been terrible at providing super fast broadband. ‘Openreach’ doesn’t reach swathes of the country & too often inaccessible & unaffordable when it does

Like public control of failing rail, this will turn a failing private oligarch into an accountable public service

Violettham Fri 15-Nov-19 11:53:21

Does anyone really believe that any of these promises will be kept. Personally I do not believe any of them. I am very old and have voted in every election since I was 18. None of them well maybe a few exceptions are really interested in anything but themselves I believe.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 11:55:03

Proportion of properties connected to full fibre broadband:
??98%
??97%
??10%

No wonder the Tories don't want to talk about Labour's plan for everyone to get connected by 2030 - their record is pitiful!

NanKate Fri 15-Nov-19 13:55:58

The answer to your question is. NO I am not considering it.

MaizieD Fri 15-Nov-19 14:07:10

So, notanan, you don't actually intend to be in any way helpful and post a link to the report you were posting from at 10.25?

MaizieD Fri 15-Nov-19 14:13:32

Ah, when I examine your posts more carefully, notanan, I see that you are blaming the Welsh stats on breast cancer treatment for the over all poor performance of the NHS in the UK.

Not quite sure how that relates to A& E waiting times, or spending hours in corridors waiting for beds. Or all the information that Wwmk2 posted on this thread:

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1268625-Think-the-NHS-is-safe-in-Tory-hands-Think-again?pg=3

NanaMacGeek Fri 15-Nov-19 14:42:02

Full fibre broadband is completely different to fibre to the cabinet (FTTC) where broadband into the house uses the copper cable between the street cabinet and the terminal in the house. Full fibre requires different technology and management. It should be included in new build premises. There has been a lot of progress with increasing broadband speeds over copper cable which is part of the existing network. There is still a lot more to be gained.

Statistics showing properties connected to full fibre broadband per country are not really helpful. Statistics showing broadband speeds and availability to households are more useful.

I'm not defending any political party.

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 16:57:55

Not quite sure how that relates to A& E waiting times, or spending hours in corridors waiting for beds. Or all the information that Wwmk2 posted on this thread

It's not meant to. It is mean to relate to labours own statements about breast cancer waiting times.

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 17:00:26

So, notanan, you don't actually intend to be in any way helpful and post a link to the report you were posting from at 10.25?

I already did.

I cant come to your house, copy it to your search bar and scroll down to the relevant headings for you so no Im not much help...

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 17:02:36

Alternatively you could do your own fact checking of labours statements rather than take my (referenced) word for it. That would be great!

MaizieD Fri 15-Nov-19 17:04:39

Good game, notanan. Post the link in a different post then decline to clarify that you've done so...

ladymuck Fri 15-Nov-19 17:05:46

There are more important things to worry about than the internet!
This sort of empty promise is an insult to the people who are concerned about all the problems this country is facing. What sort of people does Corbyn think he's dealing with?

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 17:08:47

Ah, when I examine your posts more carefully, notanan, I see that you are blaming the Welsh stats on breast cancer treatment for the over all poor performance of the NHS in the UK.

Well then you havent examined very carefully. I provided context to my picking apart of labours claim that A. The UK in general is underperforming for breast cancers. It is not. Only Wales is. Bit of a kick in the teeth for NHS service providers there...
And B. They claim that these "failures" are the conservative party's fault. When the region under performing actually has a labour run NHS!

Susieq62 Fri 15-Nov-19 17:12:33

I feel a bit disenfranchised at the moment. I have always voted and am struggling to find a party for me at the moment.
I will never vote Tory as they do not look after the major of people. I don’t want to be ruled by the Bullingdon group. Austerity has hit my area very hard and Brexit is driving me mad especially as it has superseded all other areas which need to be sorted.
I am 69, fairly fit, fortunately debt free, have never experienced war, famine, unemployment, homelessness, cold or fear. I want a party which looks after people of all ages, insists on a fair wage for all, wants the NHS to be funded and MANAGED correctly. I want the environment to be a major factor, I want a reliable transport system and a fair tax system. I still pay 20% tax on my pension and am happy to do this. I want wealthy people to pay their fair share and I want an 3nd to zero hours contracts. Help!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 17:20:31

Well it’s a bit obvious susie??

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 17:23:14

Popular policy

"To what extent would you support or oppose a policy providing free broadband internet to all UK homes and businesses by 2030?"

Support: 62%
Oppose: 22%

via
@YouGov

notanan2 Fri 15-Nov-19 17:38:05

Women failing to get the standard of breast cancer care in NHS Wales they would get in NHS England. Do labour supporters:

A: Care. And get angry on Welsh women's behalf. Want answers and a commitment to lessons being learnt from this

B. Get angry at the person who inconveniently points this out.

Answers on a postcard

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 18:01:57

Cost of Labour's broadband for all: £20bn

Estimated boost in productivity by 2025 according to the Centre for Economics and Business Research: £59 billion

Opal Fri 15-Nov-19 18:15:42

Correction - cost of Labour's broadband for all: up to £100bn!

MaizieD Fri 15-Nov-19 18:31:16

Do you have sources for those last two wildly differing costs, please Opal and Wwmk2*?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 15-Nov-19 19:20:45

maizie I cut and pasted, but buggered if I can find it now.

The manifesto will have it costed though in the grey book. It’s being published next week I think.

varian Fri 15-Nov-19 19:52:52

The best advice I can offer you Suzieq62 is to vote Liberal Democrat. We must stop this brexit nonsense which has already cost us £billions and trashed our international reputation, so we can address all the issues you and I and most other folk really care about.

Opal Fri 15-Nov-19 22:14:00

The BT chief executive Philip Jansen said Labour’s plans would not cost £20bn, as the party claimed, but closer to £100bn.

It's all over the Internet.

lemongrove Fri 15-Nov-19 22:22:39

Popular policy? That makes me laugh WWM2 of course
It would be popular, so would paying for a holiday for every family in the land, and a meal out every week and £50 off every grocery bill! No tuition fees for anyone attending Uni,
And a free tv licence for all.
It’s easy to make popular promises, and hard to implement them.Which is why they rarely do.