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Do you feel politically homeless?

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grannyactivist Wed 06-Nov-19 13:49:13

The news that Dr. Bendor Grosvenor, the art historian, has withdrawn his support from the Conservative party has got me thinking.

I wonder about how people are affected when they have become disenchanted with parties they have supported assiduously in the past.

My parents-in-law were lifelong supporters of the LibDems (previously Liberals), but they tore up their membership cards when they joined forces with the Conservatives. I also have a dear friend who has been a very active lifelong Conservative party member and even an Agent for many years. I know he has struggled with recent events and I don't yet know whether he has jumped ship, as I suspected he might do, but there must be a huge personal cost to someone in giving up on a political party they have been so invested in.

How do you choose who to vote for when the party you've believed in no longer seems like the party you joined? Do you feel you've been betrayed? How do you find a new political home?

Theoddbird Mon 02-Aug-21 11:45:49

I vote conservative and will continue to vote for them...

Fashionista1 Mon 02-Aug-21 11:51:23

There is no point spoling a ballot paper, it is just not counted and is thrown into a pile of discards. why bother? Just don't vote, it's pointless.

Alegrias1 Mon 02-Aug-21 11:53:32

Becuase by turning up you are registering your disapproval, and the number of spoiled ballots gets counted.

If enough people care enough to turn up, but don't want any of the candidates on offer, that is different to just not bothering to turn up at all.

Grandma2002 Mon 02-Aug-21 11:56:38

Why are we talking about Jeremy Corbyn? I thought Keir Starmer was Leader of Labour party

coastalgran Mon 02-Aug-21 11:58:15

Being in Scotland we have had the SNP government for ages and ages, it doesn't seem to matter who you vote for here in they go regardless. The only glimmer of hope we ever have had recently was when the Conservative leader in Scotland was Ruth Davidson, now Baroness Davidson of Lundin Links, sadly we will never see her like again north of the Border.

Grannynise Mon 02-Aug-21 11:58:41

Because those posts are very old.

Mollygo Mon 02-Aug-21 12:09:22

Alegrias1 your post about sums it up.
I am suffering from that lovely term electile dysfunction, but I will go to vote, and if there’s nothing good on offer as I feel is the current situation, I’ll spoil the ballot.
If I’ve voted for none of them I can moan about all of them.

Bigirl57 Mon 02-Aug-21 12:12:33

I am not a sheep so I will not act like one and vote for a party regardless as to how bad they are like some people will. I have voted Conservative in the past but there was no way I was going to vote for Thatcher the harm that women done to the U.K. is still being felt today a truly wicked women. Since 2010 we have not had one competent conservative prime minister so I voted LibDems. I expect I will vote for them again. The conservatives and Labour have absolute moron MPs among them so I will not vote for them. I know what you men by being at a loss as to who to vote for.

Newatthis Mon 02-Aug-21 12:16:51

There is a saying "The only person who ever went in to the Houses of parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes". This is so true - doesn't matter who you vote for or which country you live in. None of them ever keep their promises.

Grannyflower Mon 02-Aug-21 12:30:25

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Romola Mon 02-Aug-21 12:32:12

I have been a Lib Dem activist but can't work up any enthusiasm for the current leadership. Where I live, we have had a Lib Dem MP but the Tory now looks to be embedded for life.
We desperately need to change the voting system for Westminster MPs. Until we have some form of proportional representation there is no hope of a government that fairly represents voters. I would vote Green too, but that just splits the opposition vote and lets the Tory in again.
I do hope that for the next general election (should I be preserved to vote by then) all the opposition parties work out a pact whereby only one of them opposes the Tory in a given constituency. Otherwise the Conservatives will be in power to the end of time.

Ruby41 Mon 02-Aug-21 12:33:49

Love it, Gill T57, absolutely spot on!

Kali2 Mon 02-Aug-21 12:36:19

Grandma2002

Why are we talking about Jeremy Corbyn? I thought Keir Starmer was Leader of Labour party

Because the LP needs someone who is electable- and because Corbyn was not.

Alegrias1 Mon 02-Aug-21 12:37:02

sadly we will never see her like again north of the Border.

She didn't see off proud Edward's army single-handed at Bannockburn hmm

She decided to give up being Leader of the Scottish Conservatives and an MSP to spend more time with her son (fair enough)

But she then decided to take up the offer of an ermine cloak and unelected position in a Parliament 500 or so miles from said son (not fair enough)

GrammarGrandma Mon 02-Aug-21 12:44:47

I hadn't realised at first that this was an old thread but I am in this position. I left the Labour party because of Keir Starmer's disgraceful treatment first of Jeremy Corbyn and then of local CLPs, not allowing us to discuss it. Sheer Stalinism. I can't imagine ever voting anything other than Labour though, so I shall continue to grit my teeth. I don't think it will ever return to being Socialist in my lifetime.

Bijou Mon 02-Aug-21 12:47:59

Our family have always been Labour ever since Kier Hardy and my grandfather formed the party but my son has now torn up his membership card. I now vote for whoever does the best for our local community. That is not our present Tory MP who doesn’t even bother to reply to a letter.
I don’t trust any of them. They are all in it for their own interests

Allsorts Mon 02-Aug-21 12:52:03

I couldn’t support Labour, what on earth do they stand for? I don’t fully support Conservative on a number of issues. I still think overall they have it over Labour but I will spoil my paper next time if they don’t get there act together. I

Suehappynana Mon 02-Aug-21 12:55:28

I have to agree with many of the previous comments. I was previously (up to Nov 2019) happy to continue voting for the sitting Tory MP as he's a really good constituency MP (up to November 2019, the adjoining constituency had returned a Labour MP for a very long time and the two of them worked together for the general good of the area) - however since the advent of Boris, I cannot see myself ever voting for them again. Serial liar, philanderer and lacking in any interest in the detail, meaningless catchphrase specialist etc. - apparently he has 'charisma' on meeting him....
Like others I ended up voting LibDem, though I knew there was no chance. I'm a great believer in the Green party too, but that option wasn't available. Proportional representation please, so we no longer have this rigid two-party system.

polly123 Mon 02-Aug-21 13:02:32

I live in a safe Tory seat with a reasonably effective and active in the community MP. However, I would have great difficulty in voting for the Conservatives now after the appalling hypocrisy and other nonsense displayed by Hancock and others. Boris Johnson lacks leadership skills and frequently underestimates the intelligence of the people of this country with his patronising addresses and U turns etc. On the other hand, Angela Raynor? Diane Abbott? No thank you!

Lizzie44 Mon 02-Aug-21 13:02:59

I'm not politically homeless (I have strong political roots) but I am politically impotent. It matters not one jot who I vote for. The sitting MP in my constituency has a massive majority and is in an unassailable position. Bring on PR.

AlisonKF Mon 02-Aug-21 13:13:36

I am stranded in a rural constituency which ALWAYS returns a Tory. West Suffolk Matt Hancock at present.
As a long time Labour voter I have felt totally disenfranchised for the 50+years I have lived here. Both main parties do not support Proportional Representation but go for absolute power. We need complete reform of our voting system. If I was still living in Scotland where I grew up, I would at least have access to a partial PR system as in Wales and N Ireland, ThecEnglish first past the post system is totally dysfunctional. As a Quaker, I find many of my Ffriends go for the Green Party which would have more chance with PR as would the LibDems. Who would not prefer the sole Green Party MP as Prime Minister? She would make a better job of it than the present hopeless, hapless incumbent

PippaZ Mon 02-Aug-21 13:31:37

I certainly feel politically homeless. I recently posted a thread about a Party for the Common Good, trying to find one that appealed to my values. It didn't get me very far. For me, the LDs pose a problem that I feel I need to get my head around.

They sound as if they are socially democratic in outlook. However, the Liberal Democrats also, rightly, have the philosophy of liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. But I still find it difficult to merge the idea of "social", which I would interchange with "common good" and the ever-evolving meaning of liberal.

It seems pertinent that when the Liberals merged, they did not adopt the word "Social" into their title. For me it's a question of how liberty and the common good can work together. If someone could answer that I would probably have a party that echoed my views.

leeds22 Mon 02-Aug-21 13:36:55

I'm politically homeless too. Mostly a lifelong conservative although I have been known to vote for Screaming Lord Sutch and the Monster Raving Loony Party in protest. Now I vote LibDem even though I don't care for a lot of their ideas and I actually quite like our MP - Rishi Sunak. Just can't support the current tory party under Boris and Carrie.

clair1966 Mon 02-Aug-21 13:43:11

Unfortunately who ever you vote for, a self serving waster will get in, the only people politicians these days serve are themselves, I fear for the kind of world our children are growing up in now and I can honestly say that had I known 40 years ago when I had my first son what the world would become I would not have had any children. The conservatives throwing away the Nuclear proliferation treaty and order my nukes says it all for me.

Aepgirl Mon 02-Aug-21 13:44:15

No, I’m a staunch Tory voter and unless the Labour Party really upped its game with a truthful and non-bitter leader, that’s the way it will stay. I wouldn’t ever consider the Liberals who sway left and right as it suits them.