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Do you feel politically homeless?

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grannyactivist Wed 06-Nov-19 13:49:13

The news that Dr. Bendor Grosvenor, the art historian, has withdrawn his support from the Conservative party has got me thinking.

I wonder about how people are affected when they have become disenchanted with parties they have supported assiduously in the past.

My parents-in-law were lifelong supporters of the LibDems (previously Liberals), but they tore up their membership cards when they joined forces with the Conservatives. I also have a dear friend who has been a very active lifelong Conservative party member and even an Agent for many years. I know he has struggled with recent events and I don't yet know whether he has jumped ship, as I suspected he might do, but there must be a huge personal cost to someone in giving up on a political party they have been so invested in.

How do you choose who to vote for when the party you've believed in no longer seems like the party you joined? Do you feel you've been betrayed? How do you find a new political home?

win Mon 02-Aug-21 13:48:33

This is an old thread which popped up but nothing has changed apart from Corbin has gone. I still feel politically homeless do you?

grandtanteJE65 Mon 02-Aug-21 13:51:02

I have never been a member of any political party, but have, for most of my adult life, voted for one party.

For the last many years both DH and I have felt that yes, we are politically homeless, as no party seems to have values that correspond to ours any longer.

We are left voting for "the lesser evil" at each and every election, something we find preferable to handing in a blank ballot.

bobbydog24 Mon 02-Aug-21 13:58:22

I wouldn’t vote for any of the parties. The majority of MPs these days are not concerned with what’s best for the country, it’s how it affects them, their life and their salary. They say a fish rots from the head and therein lies the problem. But what can us peasants do to change things, absolutely nothing. We just swing from one diabolical party to another. As has been said Guy Fawkes had the best idea

PippaZ Mon 02-Aug-21 14:50:52

I think quite a few posting on this thread would find the New Statesman podcast Westminster Reimagined with Armando Iannucci, part two - Activism a good listen.

grammargran Mon 02-Aug-21 14:57:07

I’m certainly politically homeless although being a natural Lib Dem voter. I’m so bitterly disappointed in them and Ed Davey. They have thrown away so many chances to shine and rise above the mediocre and shoddiness of the other two main parties. Oh, for a leader with vision and fire in his/her belly who can run rings round the clown who’s in charge at the moment. I have friends who smile indulgently while saying “oh, Boris, he’s a bit of a clown, isn’t he!?” And I reply, gnashing my teeth, “clowns belong in circuses, not running the country .......”. I live in such a safe Tory seat that a donkey with a blue rosette on would get voted in, I am in despair of ever shifting this incompetent lot.

allule Mon 02-Aug-21 14:57:10

Labour is two parties...a radical left and a New Labour right
Conservatives are two parties...one nation Tories and the new populists.
In a rational system, we would have more choice and could support groups closer to our views, and they could then collaborate more.

sazz1 Mon 02-Aug-21 15:12:13

I'm with Boris all the way. He's done his best to please everyone during this pandemic and our vaccine rollout is the envy of the world. TBF no other PM has done any better anywhere in the world as this has been new territory for every country. Some countries have had stricter lockdowns, less government support, overwhelmed hospitals etc but we have sailed through it. He didn't get everything right but tries to right mistakes hence several u turns.
If you know of a country leader who is better please let me know

MaizieD Mon 02-Aug-21 15:25:30

sazz1

I'm with Boris all the way. He's done his best to please everyone during this pandemic and our vaccine rollout is the envy of the world. TBF no other PM has done any better anywhere in the world as this has been new territory for every country. Some countries have had stricter lockdowns, less government support, overwhelmed hospitals etc but we have sailed through it. He didn't get everything right but tries to right mistakes hence several u turns.
If you know of a country leader who is better please let me know

This is a parody account, of course... hmm

Galaxy Mon 02-Aug-21 15:29:45

Sometimes it's hard to tell parody from reality these days.

bobbydog24 Mon 02-Aug-21 15:51:05

*sazz1.
Really. *

gangy5 Mon 02-Aug-21 17:22:18

I don't want to vote for the Conservative party anymore - having done so all my life. I am weary of them buttering up to 'big business' No policies are pushed through if they are likely to affect the profits of large firms. At the other end of the spectrum are millions of poorly employed workers contributing grist to the mill - in other words, their status being completely ignored whilst they work to keep this country going.

SuRu Mon 02-Aug-21 17:28:52

I think this country desperately needs Electoral Reform - until we get that, only the Tories or Labour have a chance of winning. I would welcome a moderate, Centrist party and with Electoral Reform, it might have a chance of getting somewhere.

Candelle Mon 02-Aug-21 17:45:07

Yes.

The older I become, the less trusting of politicians I have become.

In the run up to an election, political players will promise and say whatever it is they believe that their listener wants to hear. They then promise they will do x, y and z but of course, never do.

I seem to have developed age-related 'x-rayitis' as I can now see through all the lies (promises) that politicians now make but dread the next election as I will have to vote for someone - the vote was too hard won not to do so.

Pedwards Mon 02-Aug-21 17:59:08

My politics have always been left of centre and I have never been wedded to a particular party. We live in an area with a safe Tory seat unfortunately, I have abs will vote again for whichever party is most likely to get them out. Not being a Tory voter I can only guess at what their traditional voter would think of the behaviours of this current lot.

JaneJudge Mon 02-Aug-21 18:06:19

SuRu

I think this country desperately needs Electoral Reform - until we get that, only the Tories or Labour have a chance of winning. I would welcome a moderate, Centrist party and with Electoral Reform, it might have a chance of getting somewhere.

I agree

varian Mon 02-Aug-21 19:04:30

Electoral reform, indeed wide ranging constitutional reform is sorely needed if this country is ever to become a democracy.

Lucca Mon 02-Aug-21 19:15:40

sazz1

I'm with Boris all the way. He's done his best to please everyone during this pandemic and our vaccine rollout is the envy of the world. TBF no other PM has done any better anywhere in the world as this has been new territory for every country. Some countries have had stricter lockdowns, less government support, overwhelmed hospitals etc but we have sailed through it. He didn't get everything right but tries to right mistakes hence several u turns.
If you know of a country leader who is better please let me know

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Daftbag1 Mon 02-Aug-21 20:51:53

Is there an election coming up? I most definitely am a severe sufferer of 'electile dysfunction' (I just told my husband that I suffer and he gently tried to explain that only men have 'erectile dysfunction'; I always knew he didn't listen).

The only way I can see that changing is if a massive bomb went off in parliament and our political system and representation changed

annodomini Mon 02-Aug-21 21:34:53

sazzl, to find a better leader than BJ, look to the opposite side of the globe at Jacinda Ardern who has guided New Zealand through the pandemic with intelligence and foresight, second to none. Just ask any Kiwi,

Sloegin Mon 02-Aug-21 22:32:11

I've felt politically homeless since moving back to N.ireland 20 years ago. I voted lib dem or Green when living I SW England, and since retiring back here have voted Alliance party or Green in General elections. It's PR in assembly elections but I could never give DUP or Sinn Fein a vote. Too many of our politicians live in the last century with more concern about ' preserving their culture ' than modernising the education system or protecting the NHS. DUP supported Brexit and Boris Johnston and it's been a complete disaster for N.I. They then have the cheek to complain about the protocol, which Boris agreed to. Any more Northern Irish gransnetters out there who feel the same?

Granartisan Mon 02-Aug-21 23:14:33

I have wondered for a long time if party politics have outlived there usefulness. Maybe electing individuals to rule as a coalition would be more democratic, instead of politicians having to toe the party line!

grammargran Mon 02-Aug-21 23:28:37

sazz1

I'm with Boris all the way. He's done his best to please everyone during this pandemic and our vaccine rollout is the envy of the world. TBF no other PM has done any better anywhere in the world as this has been new territory for every country. Some countries have had stricter lockdowns, less government support, overwhelmed hospitals etc but we have sailed through it. He didn't get everything right but tries to right mistakes hence several u turns.
If you know of a country leader who is better please let me know

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Elvis58 Mon 02-Aug-21 23:51:24

I would not waste my shoe leather on any of them at the moment!

nanna8 Tue 03-Aug-21 02:04:05

Sailed through it ? Huh. How many died? We watch you so we know what not to do !

Rabbitgran Tue 03-Aug-21 03:47:57

No I am not politically homeless. Fortunately the Labour party still exists as the party of compassion and moral choice It is not perfect but certainly the lesser of human folly and evils. People who are moaning that they are politically homeless need to join their party of choice and change it for the better.